1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:14,033 --> 00:00:15,533 [ BIRDS CHIRPING ] 4 00:00:15,533 --> 00:00:18,200 >> IT WAS 6:00 IN THE MORNING. 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,200 I GOT A KNOCK ON MY DOOR -- A 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,000 REALLY LOUD KNOCK -- AND I 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,033 THOUGHT IT WAS MY DAD, WHO HAD 8 00:00:24,033 --> 00:00:26,433 LOCKED HIMSELF OUT OR SOMETHING. 9 00:00:26,433 --> 00:00:28,533 SO I OPENED IT, AND IT'S THE 10 00:00:28,533 --> 00:00:30,533 L.E.D. FLASHLIGHTS AND THE 11 00:00:30,533 --> 00:00:32,733 REALLY OBNOXIOUS BULLET-PROOF 12 00:00:32,733 --> 00:00:34,867 VEST AND THE DRAGGING ME OUT 13 00:00:34,867 --> 00:00:37,200 INTO THE COLD WHEN I'M IN MY 14 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:38,367 PAJAMAS. 15 00:00:38,367 --> 00:00:41,533 THAT WAS NOT FUN. 16 00:00:41,533 --> 00:00:43,067 THEY SEEMED PRETTY SHOCKED BY 17 00:00:43,067 --> 00:00:44,500 THE SARCASTIC, BELLIGERENT, 18 00:00:44,500 --> 00:00:46,200 ANGRY TEENAGER THAT THEY DRAGGED 19 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:47,333 OUT OF BED THAT DAY. 20 00:00:47,333 --> 00:00:48,000 [ LAUGHS ] 21 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,667 I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST THAT I 22 00:00:49,667 --> 00:00:53,500 WAS 19 OR THAT I WAS A GIRL, BUT 23 00:00:53,500 --> 00:00:58,533 THEY DIDN'T EXPECT...THIS. 24 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,467 10,000 ANGRY KIDS -- WHOEVER 25 00:01:03,467 --> 00:01:06,333 THEY ARE, THEY SCARED THE SHIT 26 00:01:06,333 --> 00:01:09,167 OUT OF SOME PEOPLE THOSE DAYS. 27 00:01:09,167 --> 00:01:11,100 THEY SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF THE 28 00:01:11,100 --> 00:01:13,067 POWERS THAT BE, AND THAT'S WHY 29 00:01:13,067 --> 00:01:14,733 THIS IS BEING INVESTIGATED. 30 00:01:14,733 --> 00:01:16,133 THAT'S WHY I'M UNDER 31 00:01:16,133 --> 00:01:18,800 INDICTMENT. 32 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,367 THAT'S IT, BECAUSE BETWEEN THE 33 00:01:22,367 --> 00:01:25,333 DAYS OF DECEMBER 6th AND 34 00:01:25,333 --> 00:01:28,833 DECEMBER 10th, 10,000 ANGRY 35 00:01:28,833 --> 00:01:31,233 PEOPLE PROVED TO THE GOVERNMENT 36 00:01:31,233 --> 00:01:33,500 THAT THEIR REGULATIONS, THEIR 37 00:01:33,500 --> 00:01:35,733 IDEAS, THEIR VIEW OF PayPal, 38 00:01:35,733 --> 00:01:38,067 THEIR VIEW OF WikiLeaks, THEIR 39 00:01:38,067 --> 00:01:40,200 VIEW OF THE AFGHAN WAR, AND 40 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,533 EGYPT AND TUNISIA AND LIBYA -- 41 00:01:42,533 --> 00:01:43,800 IT DIDN'T...MATTER. 42 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,733 THEIR OPINION NO LONGER MATTERED 43 00:01:45,733 --> 00:01:47,567 BECAUSE SOMEONE WAS OUT ON THE 44 00:01:47,567 --> 00:01:49,100 INTERNET KICKING ASS. 45 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,333 >> THE COMPUTER HACKER GROUP 46 00:01:55,333 --> 00:01:56,900 ANONYMOUS IS CLAIMING TONIGHT 47 00:01:56,900 --> 00:01:58,633 THAT IT TOOK DOWN THE WEBSITE OF 48 00:01:58,633 --> 00:02:00,233 THE FEDERAL APPEALS COURT IN 49 00:02:00,233 --> 00:02:01,800 SAN FRANCISCO THIS AFTERNOON. 50 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,533 >> THEY TOOK DOWN senate.gov 51 00:02:03,533 --> 00:02:05,233 SERVERS, THEY'VE TAKEN DOWN 52 00:02:05,233 --> 00:02:07,200 HBGary, SONY'S CLAIMING THEY DID 53 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,067 $150 MILLION WORTH OF DAMAGE. 54 00:02:09,067 --> 00:02:10,633 >> SO MANY CONFIDENTIAL FILES 55 00:02:10,633 --> 00:02:12,300 THAT TONIGHT, BECAUSE OF THESE 56 00:02:12,300 --> 00:02:14,067 HACKERS, CAN BE IN THE HANDS OF 57 00:02:14,067 --> 00:02:14,600 ANYONE. 58 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,433 >> VISA, MasterCard, THE PayPal 59 00:02:16,433 --> 00:02:17,200 SITUATION. 60 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:18,533 >> THE CRIMINALS WHO HACKED INTO 61 00:02:18,533 --> 00:02:22,533 SARAH PALIN'S PRIVATE E-MAIL. 62 00:02:22,533 --> 00:02:24,267 >> THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY 63 00:02:24,267 --> 00:02:25,533 SAYS ANONYMOUS IS A 64 00:02:25,533 --> 00:02:27,067 CYBER-TERRORIST GROUP OF 65 00:02:27,067 --> 00:02:28,233 RELIGIOUS BIGOTS. 66 00:02:28,233 --> 00:02:29,733 >> ANONYMOUS AND THIS OTHER 67 00:02:29,733 --> 00:02:31,267 GROUP CALLED LulzSec -- THEY 68 00:02:31,267 --> 00:02:32,833 SEEM TO BE WANTING TO PROVE A 69 00:02:32,833 --> 00:02:35,533 POINT. 70 00:02:35,733 --> 00:02:37,367 >> ANONYMOUS KIND OF WAS LIKE 71 00:02:37,367 --> 00:02:39,067 THE BIG, STRONG, BUFF KID WHO 72 00:02:39,067 --> 00:02:40,633 HAD LOW SELF-ESTEEM, AND THEN 73 00:02:40,633 --> 00:02:42,067 ALL OF A SUDDEN, PUNCHED 74 00:02:42,067 --> 00:02:43,600 SOMEBODY IN THE FACE AND WAS 75 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,200 LIKE, "HOLY SHIT, I'M REALLY 76 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,067 STRONG!" 77 00:02:49,133 --> 00:02:50,767 AND ANONYMOUS CALLS ITSELF "THE 78 00:02:50,767 --> 00:02:52,467 FINAL BOSS OF THE INTERNET," AND 79 00:02:52,467 --> 00:02:53,833 SOMETIMES IF PROVES TO BE 80 00:02:53,833 --> 00:02:56,333 REALLY FUCKING TRUE. 81 00:02:56,333 --> 00:02:57,633 IF YOU ARE GOING TO VIOLATE THE 82 00:02:57,633 --> 00:02:58,833 FREEDOMS OF THE INTERNET, YOU 83 00:02:58,833 --> 00:03:00,200 CERTAINLY BETTER WATCH THE FUCK 84 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:01,067 OUT. 85 00:03:01,267 --> 00:03:02,933 >> THEY ARE KIND OF THE RUDE 86 00:03:02,933 --> 00:03:06,267 BOYS OF ACTIVISM. 87 00:03:06,267 --> 00:03:08,633 THERE'S A REAL ROUGH EDGE TO 88 00:03:08,633 --> 00:03:11,200 THEM, WHICH I THINK ALSO IS ONE 89 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,700 REASON WHY THEY GARNER SO MUCH 90 00:03:13,700 --> 00:03:16,300 LOVE AND HATE FROM PEOPLE, TOO. 91 00:03:16,300 --> 00:03:18,933 THEY REPRESENT A CERTAIN SORT OF 92 00:03:18,933 --> 00:03:21,933 CHAOTIC FREEDOM. 93 00:03:21,933 --> 00:03:24,233 >> INDIVIDUAL, YOUNG, NAMELESS, 94 00:03:24,233 --> 00:03:26,167 FACELESS FOLKS ARE HAVING 95 00:03:26,167 --> 00:03:27,767 GEOPOLITICAL IMPACT. 96 00:03:27,767 --> 00:03:30,067 I MEAN, IT'S BOTH EXHILARATING 97 00:03:30,067 --> 00:03:32,267 TO REALIZE THAT AND TERRIFYING 98 00:03:32,267 --> 00:03:33,633 TO REALIZE THAT. 99 00:03:33,633 --> 00:03:35,867 IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON HOW THAT 100 00:03:35,867 --> 00:03:38,067 POWER IS WIELDED. 101 00:03:38,067 --> 00:03:41,067 >> [ Amplified ] WE ARE LEGION. 102 00:03:41,067 --> 00:03:42,800 WE DO NOT FORGET. 103 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,833 EXPECT US. 104 00:03:49,367 --> 00:03:51,867 >> WE STAND FOR FREEDOM. 105 00:03:51,867 --> 00:03:53,667 WE STAND FOR FREEDOM OF SPEECH, 106 00:03:53,667 --> 00:03:55,333 THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE, THE 107 00:03:55,333 --> 00:03:56,967 ABILITY FOR THEM TO PROTEST 108 00:03:56,967 --> 00:03:58,633 AGAINST THEIR GOVERNMENT, TO 109 00:03:58,633 --> 00:03:59,533 RIGHT WRONGS. 110 00:03:59,533 --> 00:04:01,467 NO CENSORSHIP, ESPECIALLY ONLINE 111 00:04:01,467 --> 00:04:03,067 BUT ALSO IN REAL LIFE. 112 00:04:05,567 --> 00:04:08,567 >> WE HAVE MEMBERS THROUGHOUT 113 00:04:08,567 --> 00:04:10,200 SOCIETY, IN ALL STRATAS OF IT 114 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:10,933 WORLDWIDE. 115 00:04:10,933 --> 00:04:12,500 YEAH, WE HAVE NO LEADERSHIP. 116 00:04:12,500 --> 00:04:14,133 >> IT'S ONE VOICE -- IT'S NOT 117 00:04:14,133 --> 00:04:15,233 INDIVIDUAL VOICES. 118 00:04:15,233 --> 00:04:16,833 THAT'S WHY WE DON'T SHOW OUR 119 00:04:16,833 --> 00:04:18,567 FACES, THAT'S WHY WE DON'T GIVE 120 00:04:18,567 --> 00:04:19,267 OUR NAMES. 121 00:04:19,267 --> 00:04:20,567 WE'RE SPEAKING AS ONE. 122 00:04:20,567 --> 00:04:22,567 IT'S A COLLECTIVE. 123 00:04:22,567 --> 00:04:23,900 GOOD TIMING. 124 00:04:23,900 --> 00:04:28,433 [ POLICE RADIO CHATTER ] 125 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:51,567 >> I GOT CALLED A TERRORIST 126 00:04:51,567 --> 00:04:52,233 SYMPATHIZER. 127 00:04:52,233 --> 00:04:54,067 WE'VE BEEN CALLED KIDS, WE'VE 128 00:04:54,067 --> 00:04:56,100 BEEN CALLED CYBER-BULLIES, WE'VE 129 00:04:56,100 --> 00:04:58,067 BEEN CALLED HOOLIGANS, AND, YOU 130 00:04:58,067 --> 00:04:59,800 KNOW, SOMETIMES THOSE WORDS 131 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,867 AREN'T ENTIRELY UNFAIR, BUT THIS 132 00:05:01,867 --> 00:05:03,867 IS A SERIOUS POLITICAL MOVEMENT. 133 00:05:03,867 --> 00:05:05,833 >> NO ONE IN THE GENERAL PUBLIC 134 00:05:05,833 --> 00:05:07,367 REALLY SEEMS TO GET IT. 135 00:05:07,367 --> 00:05:09,267 WHAT THEY DON'T SEEM TO GET IS 136 00:05:09,267 --> 00:05:11,167 THAT THE ABILITY FOR ANONYMOUS 137 00:05:11,167 --> 00:05:13,167 TO BE EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING IS 138 00:05:13,167 --> 00:05:14,833 IT'S POWER. 139 00:05:14,833 --> 00:05:16,300 >> ANONYMOUS IS A SERIES OF 140 00:05:16,300 --> 00:05:17,867 RELATIONSHIPS -- HUNDREDS AND 141 00:05:17,867 --> 00:05:19,533 HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY 142 00:05:19,533 --> 00:05:20,967 ACTIVE IN IT, AND WHO HAVE 143 00:05:20,967 --> 00:05:22,667 VARYING SKILL SETS, AND WHO HAVE 144 00:05:22,667 --> 00:05:24,133 VARYING ISSUES THEY WANT TO 145 00:05:24,133 --> 00:05:25,233 ADVANCE AND WHO ARE 146 00:05:25,233 --> 00:05:26,900 COLLABORATING IN DIFFERENT WAYS 147 00:05:26,900 --> 00:05:27,533 EACH DAY. 148 00:05:27,533 --> 00:05:29,167 >> THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LIKE A 149 00:05:29,167 --> 00:05:30,633 PRISM OR A KALEIDOSCOPE -- 150 00:05:30,633 --> 00:05:32,067 THEY'RE GOT MANY DIFFERENT 151 00:05:32,067 --> 00:05:33,800 FACETS AND MANY DIFFERENT SIDES. 152 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,700 OF COURSE, WHEN YOU SPEND ENOUGH 153 00:05:35,700 --> 00:05:37,633 TIME WITH THEM, YOU START TO GET 154 00:05:37,633 --> 00:05:39,533 A SORT OF FEEL OR TEXTURE THAT'S 155 00:05:39,533 --> 00:05:41,533 NOT JUST RANDOM, RIGHT? 156 00:05:41,533 --> 00:05:43,533 YET IT'S VERY MULTIFACETED, 157 00:05:43,533 --> 00:05:46,167 VERY RICH, WHICH DOES SPAN FROM 158 00:05:46,167 --> 00:05:48,633 THE QUITE LIGHTHEARTED TO THE 159 00:05:48,633 --> 00:05:53,133 VERY, VERY SERIOUS. 160 00:05:53,133 --> 00:05:54,767 >> BOB DYLAN HAD A LINE IN HIS 161 00:05:54,767 --> 00:05:56,467 SONG, TO SING, "TO LIVE OUTSIDE 162 00:05:56,467 --> 00:05:58,067 THE LAW, YOU MUST BE HONEST." 163 00:05:58,067 --> 00:05:59,667 THEY MIGHT DO SOMETHING WHICH 164 00:05:59,667 --> 00:06:01,200 ISN'T TECHNICALLY CORRECT, 165 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:02,867 MAYBE IT'S NOT LEGALLY CORRECT, 166 00:06:02,867 --> 00:06:04,233 BUT THEY'RE DOING IT FOR 167 00:06:04,233 --> 00:06:05,967 PURPOSES THAT, IN THEIR MINDS AT 168 00:06:05,967 --> 00:06:07,100 LEAST, ARE ETHICAL. 169 00:06:07,100 --> 00:06:08,800 >> PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE 170 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,167 DOING, WHO SHARE AN ETHOS, WHO 171 00:06:11,167 --> 00:06:13,433 HAVE A COMMITMENT TO EXPOSING 172 00:06:13,433 --> 00:06:15,800 AND HUMILIATING "THE MAN," WHO 173 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,067 HAVE A VERY LOW TOLERANCE OF 174 00:06:18,067 --> 00:06:20,367 LIES AND WHAT THEY PERCEIVE AS 175 00:06:20,367 --> 00:06:22,800 EVIL ON THE PART OF OVERWEENING 176 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,300 POWER STRUCTURES. 177 00:06:25,300 --> 00:06:26,767 THEY SHARE INFORMATION, THEY 178 00:06:26,767 --> 00:06:28,367 SHARE TOOLS AND TECHNIQUES, AND 179 00:06:28,367 --> 00:06:30,067 THEY ARE CURRENTLY HAVING A VERY 180 00:06:30,067 --> 00:06:33,533 GOOD TIME. 181 00:06:33,533 --> 00:06:35,867 >> THEY HACKER CULTURE, AS WE 182 00:06:35,867 --> 00:06:38,333 KNOW IT, REALLY SPRANG FROM ONE 183 00:06:38,333 --> 00:06:39,100 PLACE. 184 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:41,133 IT WAS M.I.T., AND IT WAS 185 00:06:41,133 --> 00:06:43,533 SPECIFICALLY THE PEOPLE IN THE 186 00:06:43,533 --> 00:06:45,533 MODEL-RAILROAD CLUB, THE 187 00:06:45,533 --> 00:06:48,733 TECH-MODEL-RAILROAD CLUB. 188 00:06:48,933 --> 00:06:50,300 >> HACKING ORIGINATED AS 189 00:06:50,300 --> 00:06:52,067 HUMOROUS PRANKS WHEN THE GUYS AT 190 00:06:52,067 --> 00:06:53,600 M.I.T. PUT A VOLKSWAGEN UP ON 191 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,333 TOP OF THE DOME OF THE BUILDING, 192 00:06:55,333 --> 00:06:56,967 AND PEOPLE WOKE UP AND SAW THE 193 00:06:56,967 --> 00:06:58,500 CAR UP THERE IN THE MORNING. 194 00:06:58,500 --> 00:07:00,300 OR THEY MEASURED A BRIDGE BY THE 195 00:07:00,300 --> 00:07:01,800 BODY LENGTHS OF SOMEBODY, I 196 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,400 WOULD SAY HIS NAME WAS BRIAN, 197 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,067 AND DISCOVERED THE BRIDGE OVER 198 00:07:05,067 --> 00:07:06,233 THE CHARLES RIVER WAS 199 00:07:06,233 --> 00:07:07,567 822 BRIANS. 200 00:07:07,567 --> 00:07:09,200 THESE ARE FUNNY THINGS. 201 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,333 THAT'S WHERE HACKING ORIGINATED, 202 00:07:11,333 --> 00:07:13,467 AND IT MIGRATED INTO ENGINEERING 203 00:07:13,467 --> 00:07:15,200 AND COMPUTER COMMUNITIES. 204 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,067 IT'S WITTY. IT'S PRANKS. 205 00:07:19,067 --> 00:07:21,067 >> BASICALLY, MICROSOFT AND 206 00:07:21,067 --> 00:07:22,933 APPLE BOTH GOT THEIR ENTIRE 207 00:07:22,933 --> 00:07:24,767 START OFF COMPUTER CRIME. 208 00:07:24,767 --> 00:07:27,067 BILL GATES STOLE PRETTY MUCH ALL 209 00:07:27,067 --> 00:07:27,967 OF MS-DOS. 210 00:07:27,967 --> 00:07:30,067 STEVE JOBS -- HE WAS CREATING 211 00:07:30,067 --> 00:07:31,933 BOXES TO DEFRAUD THE PHONE 212 00:07:31,933 --> 00:07:35,267 COMPANY. 213 00:07:35,267 --> 00:07:36,733 >> I ALWAYS SAW HACKING AS 214 00:07:36,733 --> 00:07:38,067 IMPLICITLY POLITICAL. 215 00:07:38,067 --> 00:07:39,367 HACKERS, WHETHER THEY'RE 216 00:07:39,367 --> 00:07:40,833 CONSCIOUS ABOUT IT OR NOT, 217 00:07:40,833 --> 00:07:42,500 WHETHER THEY'RE EXPLICIT ABOUT 218 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:44,067 IT OR NOT, MAKE A STATEMENT 219 00:07:44,067 --> 00:07:45,467 ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD TREAT 220 00:07:45,467 --> 00:07:46,800 INFORMATION. 221 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,533 AND SOME YEARS AFTER MY BOOK 222 00:07:48,533 --> 00:07:50,333 CAME OUT, ONE OF THE PEOPLE I 223 00:07:50,333 --> 00:07:52,167 WROTE ABOUT, RICHARD STALLMAN, 224 00:07:52,167 --> 00:07:53,533 GOT VERY PUBLICLY AND 225 00:07:53,533 --> 00:07:55,167 EXPLICITLY POLITICAL ABOUT 226 00:07:55,167 --> 00:07:55,900 SOFTWARE. 227 00:07:55,900 --> 00:07:57,667 AND HE BELIEVED THAT SOFTWARE 228 00:07:57,667 --> 00:07:59,400 SHOULD BE FREE -- FREE AS IN 229 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,400 FREEDOM, NOT FREE AS IN BEER, AS 230 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:02,533 HE PUT IT THERE. 231 00:08:02,533 --> 00:08:04,400 BEHIND IT, WHETHER MISGUIDED OR 232 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:05,933 NOT, THERE'S A POLITICAL 233 00:08:05,933 --> 00:08:07,600 IMPULSE. 234 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:08,833 >> I'M CHRIS WYSOPAL, FORMER 235 00:08:08,833 --> 00:08:09,767 MEMBER OF THE LOPHT. 236 00:08:09,767 --> 00:08:10,867 WE DON'T NECESSARILY SAY 237 00:08:10,867 --> 00:08:12,267 "HACKING GROUP" BECAUSE IT MAKES 238 00:08:12,267 --> 00:08:13,600 IT SOUND LIKE WE'RE HACKING, SO 239 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:14,467 WE USED TO CALL IT 240 00:08:14,467 --> 00:08:15,567 "A HACKER'S THINK TANK." 241 00:08:15,567 --> 00:08:18,100 "HACKTIVISM" WAS A TERM COINED 242 00:08:18,100 --> 00:08:19,700 BY A GROUP CALLED 243 00:08:19,700 --> 00:08:22,067 "THE CULT OF THE DEAD COW." 244 00:08:22,067 --> 00:08:23,400 THE LOPHT HAD AN INTERESTING 245 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:24,333 RELATIONSHIP WITH 246 00:08:24,333 --> 00:08:25,600 THE CULT OF THE DEAD COW. 247 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:26,867 ACTUALLY, THERE WERE SOME 248 00:08:26,867 --> 00:08:28,133 MEMBERS THAT WERE IN BOTH 249 00:08:28,133 --> 00:08:28,933 ORGANIZATIONS. 250 00:08:28,933 --> 00:08:30,400 AND WE KIND OF KEPT, LIKE, THE 251 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:31,867 SERIOUS SECURITY RESEARCH THAT 252 00:08:31,867 --> 00:08:33,333 THEY WERE DOING, THEY WOULD DO 253 00:08:33,333 --> 00:08:34,733 UNDER THE LOPHT NAME, AND IF 254 00:08:34,733 --> 00:08:36,133 THEY WERE DOING SOME SORT OF 255 00:08:36,133 --> 00:08:37,967 JUST GOOFY STUNT-LIKE THINGS, 256 00:08:37,967 --> 00:08:39,300 THEY WOULD DO IT UNDER 257 00:08:39,300 --> 00:08:40,967 THE CULT OF THE DEAD COW NAME, 258 00:08:40,967 --> 00:08:42,633 BECAUSE THE CULT OF THE DEAD COW 259 00:08:42,633 --> 00:08:46,633 WAS REALLY KIND OF SORT OF LIKE 260 00:08:46,633 --> 00:08:48,133 A PROPAGANDA TYPE OF 261 00:08:48,133 --> 00:08:49,967 ORGANIZATION. 262 00:08:49,967 --> 00:08:51,300 THEY HAD A GUY WHO WAS THE 263 00:08:51,300 --> 00:08:52,567 MINISTER OF PROPAGANDA. 264 00:08:52,567 --> 00:08:53,733 THEY'RE KIND OF MERRY 265 00:08:53,733 --> 00:08:55,433 PRANKSTERS, LIKE EVERYTHING THEY 266 00:08:55,433 --> 00:08:57,100 DID WAS COMPLETELY OVER THE TOP. 267 00:08:57,100 --> 00:08:58,800 ONE OF THE GUYS THERE COINED THE 268 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,533 TERM "HACKTIVISM" BECAUSE HE SAW 269 00:09:00,533 --> 00:09:02,167 ONE OF THE THINGS HIS GROUP WAS 270 00:09:02,167 --> 00:09:03,400 DOING, WHICH HE CALLED 271 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:04,733 "HACKTIVISM," WAS WRITING 272 00:09:04,733 --> 00:09:06,300 SOFTWARE THAT PEOPLE IN OTHER 273 00:09:06,300 --> 00:09:07,500 COUNTRIES COULD USE TO 274 00:09:07,500 --> 00:09:09,067 COMMUNICATE SECURELY, EVEN IF 275 00:09:09,067 --> 00:09:10,633 THEIR GOVERNMENT WAS SPYING ON 276 00:09:10,633 --> 00:09:11,100 THEM. 277 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:12,467 SO THE PRINCIPLE WAS REALLY 278 00:09:12,467 --> 00:09:13,600 FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION. 279 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:14,967 IT WAS EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE 280 00:09:14,967 --> 00:09:16,567 ACCESS TO THE INTERNET, EVERYONE 281 00:09:16,567 --> 00:09:18,067 SHOULD BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE 282 00:09:18,067 --> 00:09:19,600 AND GET THEIR MESSAGE OUT ON THE 283 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,067 INTERNET, EVEN MORE IMPORTANT, 284 00:09:21,067 --> 00:09:22,500 IN COUNTRIES WHERE THERE WAS 285 00:09:22,500 --> 00:09:23,967 REPRESSIVE REGIMES THAT IF YOU 286 00:09:23,967 --> 00:09:25,300 SAID SOMETHING AGAINST THE 287 00:09:25,300 --> 00:09:26,900 REGIME, THEY WOULD COME AND TAKE 288 00:09:26,900 --> 00:09:28,467 YOU AWAY AND YOU WEREN'T SAYING 289 00:09:28,467 --> 00:09:31,167 IT ANYMORE. 290 00:09:31,367 --> 00:09:33,500 >> "HACKTIVISM" HAS OFTEN MEANT 291 00:09:33,500 --> 00:09:35,667 TO DESIGNATE A FORM OF POLITICAL 292 00:09:35,667 --> 00:09:37,633 ACTIVITY IN WHICH TECHNOLOGY 293 00:09:37,633 --> 00:09:39,200 ASSISTANCE IS USED FOR 294 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:40,800 HUMAN-RIGHTS ACTIVISM. 295 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,933 THAT'S KIND OF THE NARROW SENSE 296 00:09:42,933 --> 00:09:44,133 OF THE WORD. 297 00:09:44,333 --> 00:09:45,867 IT USUALLY STAYS WITHIN THE 298 00:09:45,867 --> 00:09:47,533 PURVIEW OF THE LAW -- USUALLY, 299 00:09:47,533 --> 00:09:48,733 BECAUSE BY PROVIDING 300 00:09:48,733 --> 00:09:50,367 TECHNOLOGICAL ASSISTANCE, YOU 301 00:09:50,367 --> 00:09:51,933 MAY BE BREAKING A LOCAL LAW, 302 00:09:51,933 --> 00:09:52,567 HOWEVER. 303 00:09:52,567 --> 00:09:56,900 AND YET, OTHER FORMS OF DIGITAL 304 00:09:56,900 --> 00:09:59,500 INTERVENTIONS, PROTEST, DISSENT, 305 00:09:59,500 --> 00:10:02,133 DISOBEDIENCE ARE CLEARLY PUSHING 306 00:10:02,133 --> 00:10:04,600 THE BOUNDARIES OF THE LAW, ARE 307 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,000 SEEKING TO ACTIVELY BREAK THE 308 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,267 LAW IN PROTEST, OR ARE JUST 309 00:10:09,267 --> 00:10:11,767 MERELY TRANSGRESSIVE, AS WELL. 310 00:10:11,767 --> 00:10:13,967 >> JUST LIKE IN TRADITIONAL 311 00:10:13,967 --> 00:10:16,167 ACTIVISM, IT SPANS THE FULL 312 00:10:16,167 --> 00:10:18,733 GAMUT FROM SIT-INS OR PICKETS TO 313 00:10:18,733 --> 00:10:20,867 ACTUALLY SPIKING TREES AND 314 00:10:20,867 --> 00:10:23,267 POURING SAND IN THE ENGINES OF 315 00:10:23,267 --> 00:10:25,133 CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES. 316 00:10:25,133 --> 00:10:26,967 I MEAN, THERE'S REAL SABOTAGE. 317 00:10:26,967 --> 00:10:28,700 THE SAME THING DOES ALL FALL 318 00:10:28,700 --> 00:10:30,467 UNDER THE "HACKTIVISM" LABEL. 319 00:10:30,467 --> 00:10:31,767 THERE IS A SPECTRUM. 320 00:10:31,767 --> 00:10:33,867 >> A GOOD PLACE TO START ARE 321 00:10:33,867 --> 00:10:36,133 WITH WHAT HAS OFTEN BEEN CALLED 322 00:10:36,133 --> 00:10:38,333 VIRTUAL SIT-INS, WHICH USE THE 323 00:10:38,333 --> 00:10:40,500 TACTIC OF A DENIAL OF SERVICE 324 00:10:40,500 --> 00:10:41,367 ATTACK. 325 00:10:41,567 --> 00:10:43,800 >> DENIAL OF SERVICE HAS BEEN 326 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,000 AROUND FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. 327 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,233 THE EQUIVALENT OF IF YOU, FOR 328 00:10:48,233 --> 00:10:50,633 SOME REASON, WANTED TO DISRUPT A 329 00:10:50,633 --> 00:10:52,000 BUS SERVICE, RIGHT? 330 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:53,967 YOU CAN HIRE A THOUSAND EXTRAS 331 00:10:53,967 --> 00:10:55,833 TO ALL GO AND LINE UP AT THE BUS 332 00:10:55,833 --> 00:10:57,467 STATION AND GET ON THE BUS. 333 00:10:57,467 --> 00:10:59,033 AND SO THEN ANYONE WHO WAS 334 00:10:59,033 --> 00:11:00,900 REALLY TRYING TO GET ON THE BUS 335 00:11:00,900 --> 00:11:01,933 COULDN'T DO IT. 336 00:11:01,933 --> 00:11:03,700 IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT -- WHEN 337 00:11:03,700 --> 00:11:05,200 YOU STOP TRYING TO VISIT, 338 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:06,667 WEBSITE GOES BACK UP, NO 339 00:11:06,667 --> 00:11:08,067 PERMANENT DAMAGE. 340 00:11:08,067 --> 00:11:09,967 >> AND THIS TACTIC HAS BEEN USED 341 00:11:09,967 --> 00:11:11,933 BY A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT GROUPS. 342 00:11:11,933 --> 00:11:13,867 PROBABLY THE MOST FAMOUS IS THE 343 00:11:13,867 --> 00:11:17,067 ELECTRONIC DISTURBANCE THEATER. 344 00:11:17,067 --> 00:11:19,200 ANOTHER REALLY INTERESTING CASE 345 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,133 HAPPENED IN GERMANY WHERE A 346 00:11:21,133 --> 00:11:23,300 GROUP OF ACTIVISTS GOT TOGETHER 347 00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:25,400 WHO WANTED TO PROTEST THE FACT 348 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,467 THAT THE AIRLINE LUFTHANSA -- 349 00:11:27,467 --> 00:11:29,633 THEY WERE USING THEIR PLANES TO 350 00:11:29,633 --> 00:11:31,467 DEPORT IMMIGRANTS. 351 00:11:31,467 --> 00:11:33,233 AND THEY WOULD TAKE DOWN THE 352 00:11:33,233 --> 00:11:33,800 SITE. 353 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,633 AND, IN FACT, EVENTUALLY, THE 354 00:11:35,633 --> 00:11:37,467 GERMAN COURTS RULED THAT THIS 355 00:11:37,467 --> 00:11:39,300 COULD BE A LEGITIMATE FORM OF 356 00:11:39,300 --> 00:11:41,967 PROTEST. 357 00:11:41,967 --> 00:11:43,633 >> THIS SOMETIMES HAS STRONG 358 00:11:43,633 --> 00:11:45,533 ANARCHIST FLAVOR TO IT, AS WELL. 359 00:11:45,533 --> 00:11:47,433 IT'S RESISTANCE TO AUTHORITY AND 360 00:11:47,433 --> 00:11:48,800 THOSE WHO WOULD IMPOSE 361 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,067 GROUP-THINK AND GROUP-BEHAVIOR 362 00:11:51,067 --> 00:11:52,900 ON THE PEOPLE, WHICH WAS 363 00:11:52,900 --> 00:11:54,800 RIGHTLY PERCEIVED TO BE A 364 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,800 CONSEQUENCE OF THE DIGITAL 365 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,900 REVOLUTION AS IT WAS USED BY 366 00:11:58,900 --> 00:12:00,833 PEOPLE IN POWER -- TO DO 367 00:12:00,833 --> 00:12:02,400 HACKING ON BEHALF OF 368 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,767 RIGHTEOUSNESS AND TO REDRESS THE 369 00:12:04,767 --> 00:12:06,633 GRIEVANCES OF THE WORLD. 370 00:12:06,633 --> 00:12:10,067 LANCE-LOWERED DON QUIXOTE ON HIS 371 00:12:10,067 --> 00:12:12,800 HORSE, NAG THOUGH SHE WAS, 372 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,600 FLYING AT THE WINDMILLS OF 373 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,100 MODERN LIFE. 374 00:12:18,100 --> 00:12:20,267 >> ANONYMOUS GREW OUT OF WHAT'S 375 00:12:20,267 --> 00:12:23,600 KNOW AS 4chan. 376 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,633 AND ESSENTIALLY, THIS IS JUST A 377 00:12:25,633 --> 00:12:27,667 WEBSITE WHERE PEOPLE CAN UPLOAD 378 00:12:27,667 --> 00:12:29,567 IMAGES AND YOU DON'T ACTUALLY 379 00:12:29,567 --> 00:12:31,567 GIVE YOUR NAME, IT'S JUST SORT 380 00:12:31,567 --> 00:12:32,567 OF ANONYMOUS. 381 00:12:32,567 --> 00:12:33,900 >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT 4chan, 382 00:12:33,900 --> 00:12:35,367 YOU'RE OFTEN SURPRISED BECAUSE 383 00:12:35,367 --> 00:12:36,867 IT LOOKS LIKE A SITE FROM LIKE 384 00:12:36,867 --> 00:12:37,833 1995 OR SOMETHING. 385 00:12:37,833 --> 00:12:39,333 THE IDEA IS VERY SIMPLE -- YOU 386 00:12:39,333 --> 00:12:40,767 POST A COMMENT AND YOU POST A 387 00:12:40,767 --> 00:12:42,300 PICTURE, AND YOU CAN POST UNDER 388 00:12:42,300 --> 00:12:43,567 YOUR NAME OR ANONYMOUSLY. 389 00:12:43,567 --> 00:12:45,067 AND IT'S SEPARATED INTO BOARDS 390 00:12:45,067 --> 00:12:46,433 ABOUT PARTICULAR TOPICS, SO 391 00:12:46,433 --> 00:12:47,700 THERE'S A TOPIC ON ANIME, 392 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:49,533 THERE'S A TOPIC ON WEAPONRY. 393 00:12:49,533 --> 00:12:51,400 >> THERE'S LIKE A 4chan BOARD 394 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,367 FOR ORIGAMI AND YOU JUST UPLOAD 395 00:12:53,367 --> 00:12:55,733 INTERESTING PICTURES OF ORIGAMI. 396 00:12:59,067 --> 00:13:00,800 AND THEN, THERE WAS A GROUP 397 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,600 CALLED THE "/b/ board," WHICH 398 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,267 ESSENTIALLY WAS FOR, LIKE, 399 00:13:04,267 --> 00:13:05,300 ANYTHING GOES. 400 00:13:05,500 --> 00:13:07,100 >> THE FIRST TIME ANYBODY GOES 401 00:13:07,100 --> 00:13:08,733 ON /b/, IT'S KIND OF AN INSTANT 402 00:13:08,733 --> 00:13:10,400 REVULSION, 'CAUSE THERE'S NEVER 403 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:11,867 A TIME THAT YOU GO ON THERE 404 00:13:11,867 --> 00:13:13,433 WHERE YOU DON'T SEE SOMETHING 405 00:13:13,433 --> 00:13:14,067 HORRIBLE. 406 00:13:14,067 --> 00:13:15,767 THAT INSTANTLY PUTS OFF A LOT OF 407 00:13:15,767 --> 00:13:16,300 PEOPLE. 408 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:18,467 >> THE IDEA IS POST SOMETHING 409 00:13:18,467 --> 00:13:20,500 THAT CAN NEVER BE UNSEEN. 410 00:13:23,533 --> 00:13:25,533 HALF OF THE POSTS ON /b/ ARE 411 00:13:25,533 --> 00:13:27,400 THERE SPECIFICALLY TO MAKE 412 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,567 PEOPLE NOT WANT TO COME BACK TO 413 00:13:29,567 --> 00:13:30,100 /b/. 414 00:13:30,100 --> 00:13:32,067 >> HAVE YOU EVER READ 415 00:13:32,067 --> 00:13:33,800 "LORD OF THE FLIES"? 416 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:38,300 4chan AND ESPECIALLY /b/ IS 417 00:13:38,300 --> 00:13:40,667 "LORD OF THE FLIES," EXCEPT SOME 418 00:13:40,667 --> 00:13:42,667 OF THEM AREN'T 16 ANYMORE. 419 00:13:42,667 --> 00:13:44,367 THEY'RE JUST ALLOWED TO ACT 16. 420 00:13:58,467 --> 00:14:00,667 >> IT'S THE MOST VILE, 421 00:14:00,667 --> 00:14:03,433 DISGUSTING, AND FUNNY THING ON 422 00:14:03,433 --> 00:14:04,467 THE INTERNET. 423 00:14:08,867 --> 00:14:11,767 >> 4chan WAS FOUNDED BY 424 00:14:11,767 --> 00:14:15,400 CHRIS "MOOT" POOLE WHEN HE WAS 425 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,833 VERY YOUNG, MAYBE 15, IN THE 426 00:14:18,833 --> 00:14:20,167 EARLY 2000s. 427 00:14:20,167 --> 00:14:22,967 HE STARTED 4chan BECAUSE HE WAS 428 00:14:22,967 --> 00:14:25,833 A BIG FAN OF JAPANESE ANIMATION. 429 00:14:25,833 --> 00:14:27,067 >> CHRIS "MOOT" POOLE'S THE 430 00:14:27,067 --> 00:14:28,300 SWEETEST KID YOU'VE EVER MET IN 431 00:14:28,300 --> 00:14:28,833 YOUR LIFE. 432 00:14:28,833 --> 00:14:30,667 HE'S SMALL, AND HE'S, LIKE -- 433 00:14:30,667 --> 00:14:32,667 HE'S GOT THESE SORT OF LIKE TINY 434 00:14:32,667 --> 00:14:34,533 FEATURES, AND HE RUNS THE MOST 435 00:14:34,533 --> 00:14:36,533 DISGUSTING WEBSITE IN THE WORLD. 436 00:14:36,533 --> 00:14:37,900 >> WHAT I THINK IS REALLY 437 00:14:37,900 --> 00:14:39,400 INTRIGUING ABOUT A COMMUNITY 438 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:40,900 LIKE 4chan IS JUST THAT IT'S 439 00:14:40,900 --> 00:14:41,867 THIS OPEN PLACE. 440 00:14:41,867 --> 00:14:43,233 AS I SAID, IT'S RAW, IT'S 441 00:14:43,233 --> 00:14:44,767 UNFILTERED, AND SITES LIKE IT 442 00:14:44,767 --> 00:14:46,467 ARE KIND OF GOING THE WAY OF THE 443 00:14:46,467 --> 00:14:47,533 DINOSAUR RIGHT NOW. 444 00:14:47,533 --> 00:14:49,233 THEY'RE ENDANGERED BECAUSE WE'RE 445 00:14:49,233 --> 00:14:50,500 MOVING TOWARDS SOCIAL 446 00:14:50,500 --> 00:14:51,300 NETWORKING. 447 00:14:51,300 --> 00:14:53,067 WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS PERSISTENT 448 00:14:53,067 --> 00:14:53,767 IDENTITY. 449 00:14:53,767 --> 00:14:56,333 WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, 450 00:14:56,333 --> 00:14:58,567 A LACK OF PRIVACY, REALLY. 451 00:14:58,567 --> 00:15:00,267 >> THE /b/ board -- THAT'S THE 452 00:15:00,267 --> 00:15:01,767 EXACT OPPOSITE OF FACEBOOK. 453 00:15:01,767 --> 00:15:03,433 FACEBOOK, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE 454 00:15:03,433 --> 00:15:05,133 WHO YOU ARE AND THERE'S SORT OF 455 00:15:05,133 --> 00:15:06,800 ONE MODEL, WHICH IS THAT YOU'RE 456 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,300 FRIENDS WITH PEOPLE, RIGHT? 457 00:15:08,300 --> 00:15:10,067 IN 4chan, YOU'RE A TOTALLY 458 00:15:10,067 --> 00:15:11,300 ANONYMOUS NOBODY. 459 00:15:11,300 --> 00:15:13,367 AND ANONYMOUS SPEECH IS -- A LOT 460 00:15:13,367 --> 00:15:15,400 OF IT'S UGLY, BUT NOT ALL OF IT 461 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:15,867 IS. 462 00:15:15,867 --> 00:15:17,767 IT'S ACTUALLY SORT OF A PLACE 463 00:15:17,767 --> 00:15:20,300 WHERE PEOPLE CAN BE HONEST. 464 00:15:20,500 --> 00:15:22,067 >> ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS 465 00:15:22,067 --> 00:15:25,167 ABOUT 4chan IS TO HAVE A THREAD 466 00:15:25,167 --> 00:15:28,500 THAT REALLY EXPLODES AND LASTS 467 00:15:28,500 --> 00:15:30,867 FOR A LONG TIME. 468 00:15:31,067 --> 00:15:32,900 'CAUSE IF IT DOESN'T, THEN IT 469 00:15:32,900 --> 00:15:34,867 DISAPPEARS -- IT'S A SITE THAT'S 470 00:15:34,867 --> 00:15:35,833 NOT ARCHIVED. 471 00:15:35,833 --> 00:15:37,767 SO IT CREATES CONDITIONS FOR 472 00:15:37,767 --> 00:15:39,800 ANYTHING THAT GRABS ATTENTION, 473 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,867 AT SOME LEVEL, AND SO HUMOR AND 474 00:15:41,867 --> 00:15:43,967 GROTESQUENESS, AS A RESULT, ARE 475 00:15:43,967 --> 00:15:45,300 QUITE GOOD FOR THAT. 476 00:15:45,300 --> 00:15:46,867 >> I'D RATHER JUST BE REFERRED 477 00:15:46,867 --> 00:15:48,533 TO AS ANONYMOUS, I GUESS, IN THE 478 00:15:48,533 --> 00:15:50,067 INTERVIEWS 'CAUSE I HAVE SOME 479 00:15:50,067 --> 00:15:51,267 DOCS OUT ON ME. 480 00:16:12,233 --> 00:16:14,133 YOU'LL SEE SOMETHING POSTED ONE 481 00:16:14,133 --> 00:16:16,067 DAY, AND THEN A WEEK LATER IT'S 482 00:16:16,067 --> 00:16:18,267 GOT 50,000 DERIVATIVES OF IT. 483 00:16:26,667 --> 00:16:28,067 >> A LOT OF THE GREAT INTERNET 484 00:16:28,067 --> 00:16:29,833 MEMES THAT WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE, 485 00:16:29,833 --> 00:16:32,067 YOU KNOW, LOLCATS, RIGHT, YOU 486 00:16:32,067 --> 00:16:33,333 KNOW, LITTLE CATS DOING FUNNY 487 00:16:33,333 --> 00:16:35,500 THINGS AND THEN THEY HAVE "I CAN 488 00:16:35,500 --> 00:16:36,833 HAS CHEEZBURGER," RIGHT? 489 00:16:36,833 --> 00:16:39,600 ALL THAT STUFF SEEMS TO START IN 490 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,167 THIS PETRI DISH THAT IS 4chan, 491 00:16:42,167 --> 00:16:43,867 /b/ board. 492 00:16:47,067 --> 00:16:48,400 [ PIANO PLAYING ] 493 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,067 >> * SAY IT PUBLICLY, AND 494 00:16:50,067 --> 00:16:51,067 YOU'RE INSANE * 495 00:16:51,067 --> 00:16:52,300 * CHOCOLATE RAIN * 496 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:54,133 >> NAME ANY MEME FROM THE LAST 497 00:16:54,133 --> 00:16:55,933 ABOUT SIX YEARS, AND I'LL BET 498 00:16:55,933 --> 00:16:57,533 YOU, EITHER IN IT'S FIRST 499 00:16:57,533 --> 00:16:59,500 POSTING EVER WAS ON 4chan, OR AT 500 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:01,200 LEAST ONE OF IT'S EARLIEST 501 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,067 REVISIONS THAT BECAME WHAT IT 502 00:17:03,067 --> 00:17:04,167 WAS WAS ON 4chan. 503 00:17:04,167 --> 00:17:05,833 >> I CAN SEE THE FOOD SITUATION 504 00:17:05,833 --> 00:17:07,400 IS [BLEEP] SO WE'LL BE ON OUR 505 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:07,833 WAY. 506 00:17:07,833 --> 00:17:09,667 >> * NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP * 507 00:17:09,667 --> 00:17:11,333 * NEVER GONNA LET YOU DOWN * 508 00:17:11,333 --> 00:17:12,867 >> IT'S BASICALLY THE BEST 509 00:17:12,867 --> 00:17:14,500 BREEDING GROUND FOR INTERNET 510 00:17:14,500 --> 00:17:15,833 CULTURE, AS FAR AS I'M 511 00:17:15,833 --> 00:17:16,567 CONCERNED. 512 00:17:16,567 --> 00:17:18,433 >> * WITH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD 513 00:17:18,433 --> 00:17:19,700 INSURANCE RATES * 514 00:17:19,700 --> 00:17:22,533 * CHOCOLATE RAIN * 515 00:17:22,533 --> 00:17:24,700 >> 4chan IS ALSO VERY KNOWN FOR 516 00:17:24,700 --> 00:17:26,900 ACTS OF TROLLING. 517 00:17:40,967 --> 00:17:42,500 >> FOR THEM, IT'S FUNNY, THAT 518 00:17:42,500 --> 00:17:43,967 PEOPLE THINK THE INTERNET IS 519 00:17:43,967 --> 00:17:44,933 SERIOUS BUSINESS. 520 00:17:44,933 --> 00:17:46,600 AND IF PEOPLE THINK THE INTERNET 521 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,067 IS SERIOUS BUSINESS, IT'S A 522 00:17:48,067 --> 00:17:49,600 TROLL'S JOB TO MAKE THEIR LIFE 523 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,967 TERRIBLE. 524 00:17:52,167 --> 00:17:54,467 >> THE IDEA OF ANONYMOUS CAME 525 00:17:54,467 --> 00:17:56,167 INITIALLY AS A JOKE. 526 00:17:56,167 --> 00:17:58,700 I MEAN, SOMEBODY SUGGESTED THAT, 527 00:17:58,700 --> 00:18:00,733 "WHAT IF THE WHOLE SITE, WHAT IF 528 00:18:00,733 --> 00:18:02,667 4chan, WHAT IF /b/ WAS JUST ONE 529 00:18:02,667 --> 00:18:04,600 PERSON, AND WHAT IF THAT'S JUST 530 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,600 ONE GUY CALLED ANONYMOUS SITTING 531 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,200 SOMEWHERE AND YOU'RE JUST 532 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,067 READING ALL THESE POSTS BY ONE 533 00:18:10,067 --> 00:18:10,600 GUY?" 534 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:11,800 AND IT KIND OF LOOKED LIKE 535 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,067 THAT, FROM THE OUTSIDER'S 536 00:18:13,067 --> 00:18:13,667 PERSPECTIVE. 537 00:18:13,667 --> 00:18:15,067 I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY TO TELL 538 00:18:15,067 --> 00:18:15,800 THE DIFFERENCE. 539 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,100 IT MIGHT AS WELL BE ONE GUY. 540 00:18:17,100 --> 00:18:19,067 >> FOX NEWS DID A VERY FAMOUS 541 00:18:19,067 --> 00:18:20,267 SEGMENT ABOUT IT. 542 00:18:20,267 --> 00:18:21,633 >> THEY CALL THEMSELVES 543 00:18:21,633 --> 00:18:22,467 "ANONYMOUS." 544 00:18:22,467 --> 00:18:24,133 THEY ARE HACKERS ON STEROIDS, 545 00:18:24,133 --> 00:18:25,500 TREATING THE WEB LIKE A 546 00:18:25,500 --> 00:18:27,267 REAL-LIFE VIDEO GAME -- SACKING 547 00:18:27,267 --> 00:18:28,800 WEBSITES, INVADING MYSPACE 548 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,467 ACCOUNTS, DISRUPTING INNOCENT 549 00:18:30,467 --> 00:18:32,267 PEOPLE'S LIVES, AND IF YOU FIGHT 550 00:18:32,267 --> 00:18:33,633 BACK, WATCH OUT. 551 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,067 >> THREATS FROM A GANG OF 552 00:18:39,067 --> 00:18:40,400 COMPUTER HACKERS CALLING 553 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:41,733 THEMSELVES "ANONYMOUS." 554 00:18:41,733 --> 00:18:42,733 >> I'VE HAD SEVEN DIFFERENT 555 00:18:42,733 --> 00:18:43,900 PASSWORDS, AND THEY'VE GOT THEM 556 00:18:43,900 --> 00:18:44,400 ALL SO FAR. 557 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,733 >> ANONYMOUS HACKED HIS SITE AND 558 00:18:46,733 --> 00:18:48,600 PLASTERED IT WITH GAY-SEX 559 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:49,467 PICTURES. 560 00:18:49,467 --> 00:18:51,300 HIS GIRLFRIEND LEFT HIM. 561 00:18:51,300 --> 00:18:53,233 >> SHE THOUGHT THAT I WAS 562 00:18:53,233 --> 00:18:55,200 CHEATING ON HER WITH GUYS. 563 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,133 >> AS LONG AS I CAN THINK BACK, 564 00:18:57,133 --> 00:18:59,067 ANONYMOUS HAS DONE SOME PRETTY 565 00:18:59,067 --> 00:19:01,067 OFF-COLOR THINGS IN THE NAME OF 566 00:19:01,067 --> 00:19:02,967 GETTING CHEAP LAUGHS, YOU KNOW? 567 00:19:02,967 --> 00:19:04,900 BUT, I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF THE 568 00:19:04,900 --> 00:19:05,600 CULTURE. 569 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,367 >> [ Distorted ] THEY GET WHAT 570 00:19:07,367 --> 00:19:08,500 THEY CALL "LULZ." 571 00:19:08,500 --> 00:19:10,667 >> "LULZ" IS A CORRUPTION OF 572 00:19:10,667 --> 00:19:12,900 "LOL," WHICH STANDS FOR LAUGH 573 00:19:12,900 --> 00:19:13,833 OUT LOUD. 574 00:19:13,833 --> 00:19:16,133 ANONYMOUS GETS BIG "LULZ" FROM 575 00:19:16,133 --> 00:19:17,900 PULLING RANDOM PRANKS. 576 00:19:17,900 --> 00:19:20,333 FOR EXAMPLE, MESSING WITH ONLINE 577 00:19:20,333 --> 00:19:22,067 CHILDREN'S GAMES LIKE 578 00:19:22,067 --> 00:19:23,300 "HABBO HOTEL." 579 00:19:23,300 --> 00:19:25,067 >> "HABBO HOTEL" WAS THIS ONLINE 580 00:19:25,067 --> 00:19:26,567 COMMUNITY WHERE YOU HAD AN 581 00:19:26,567 --> 00:19:28,333 AVATAR AND YOU WALKED AROUND AND 582 00:19:28,333 --> 00:19:29,667 TALKED TO OTHER PEOPLE. 583 00:19:29,667 --> 00:19:31,233 IT WAS KIND OF LIKE AN EARLY 584 00:19:31,233 --> 00:19:32,900 VERSION OF "WORLD OF WARCRAFT" 585 00:19:32,900 --> 00:19:34,667 OR "SECOND LIFE" OR ANY OF THOSE 586 00:19:34,667 --> 00:19:35,633 VIRTUAL WORLDS. 587 00:19:35,633 --> 00:19:38,567 WHAT THE PEOPLE ON /b/ DID WAS 588 00:19:38,567 --> 00:19:41,433 INVADE "HABBO HOTEL," CREATED 589 00:19:41,433 --> 00:19:43,633 THOUSANDS OF AVATARS. 590 00:19:43,633 --> 00:19:45,900 THEY ALL HAD THIS ONE UNIFORM OF 591 00:19:45,900 --> 00:19:47,867 A BLACK GUY WITH A BIG AFRO 592 00:19:47,867 --> 00:19:49,467 WEARING A BLACK SUIT. 593 00:19:49,467 --> 00:19:51,700 AND SO THERE WOULD BE THOUSANDS 594 00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:53,533 OF THESE PEOPLE -- BLACK GUYS, 595 00:19:53,533 --> 00:19:55,567 BLACK SUIT, HUGE AFRO -- WALKING 596 00:19:55,567 --> 00:19:57,300 AROUND THIS WORLD, AND THEY 597 00:19:57,300 --> 00:19:59,067 WOULD DO THINGS LIKE FORM A 598 00:19:59,067 --> 00:20:00,833 SWASTIKA OUT OF THEMSELVES. 599 00:20:00,833 --> 00:20:02,567 AND I THINK THAT WAS A REAL 600 00:20:02,567 --> 00:20:04,367 LANDMARK BECAUSE IT WAS WHEN 601 00:20:04,367 --> 00:20:06,367 THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE THAT THEY 602 00:20:06,367 --> 00:20:08,100 CAN USE THEIR NUMBERS TO DO 603 00:20:08,100 --> 00:20:10,133 SOMETHING REALLY INTERESTING AND 604 00:20:10,133 --> 00:20:11,667 REALLY DISRUPTIVE. 605 00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:24,600 >> THOSE KIDS LOVED THAT POOL. 606 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,200 THEY LOVED THE SHIT OUT OF THEIR 607 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:26,633 POOL. 608 00:20:26,633 --> 00:20:28,133 >> THE GOAL WAS ACTUALLY TO 609 00:20:28,133 --> 00:20:29,800 OFFEND EVERYONE, SIMPLY BECAUSE 610 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,367 THE IDEA THAT WE COULD OFFEND 611 00:20:31,367 --> 00:20:33,100 YOU BY DRAWING A LITTLE SHAPE ON 612 00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:34,633 THE SCREEN WAS STUPID TO THE 613 00:20:34,633 --> 00:20:36,000 PEOPLE INVOLVED IN IT. 614 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,500 THEY WERE LIKE, "REALLY? 615 00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:39,100 YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT MAD OVER 616 00:20:39,100 --> 00:20:40,767 US DOING -- JUST DRAWING THIS ON 617 00:20:40,767 --> 00:20:41,467 THE SCREEN? 618 00:20:41,467 --> 00:20:43,167 WOW, WELL, YOU NEED TO REFOCUS A 619 00:20:43,167 --> 00:20:44,600 LITTLE ON LIFE, 'CAUSE THIS 620 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,267 SHOULD NOT BE UPSETTING YOU THAT 621 00:20:46,267 --> 00:20:46,767 MUCH." 622 00:20:46,767 --> 00:20:49,000 >> BARRETT BROWN, I'M THE 623 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,467 DIRECTOR OF PROJECT PM AND A 624 00:20:51,467 --> 00:20:54,233 FORMER OPERATIVE WITH ANONYMOUS. 625 00:20:54,233 --> 00:20:55,733 WE WERE TARGETING FURRIES, WHICH 626 00:20:55,733 --> 00:20:57,067 MEANT WE ENTERED A SUBCULTURE OF 627 00:20:57,067 --> 00:20:58,733 PEOPLE, OF COURSE, WHO A LOT OF 628 00:20:58,733 --> 00:21:00,467 PEOPLE ON 4chan FIND IRRITATING 629 00:21:00,467 --> 00:21:02,467 BY VIRTUE OF THEY'RE BEING 630 00:21:02,467 --> 00:21:03,967 IRRITATING. 631 00:21:03,967 --> 00:21:06,633 A FURRY IS SOMEONE, GENERALLY A 632 00:21:06,633 --> 00:21:09,333 MALE IN HIS 20s, WHO IDENTIFIES 633 00:21:09,333 --> 00:21:12,067 WITH ANIMALS AND OFTENTIMES HAS 634 00:21:12,067 --> 00:21:14,333 SEXUAL ATTRACTION TO OTHER 635 00:21:14,333 --> 00:21:16,633 PEOPLE DRESSED AS ANIMALS. 636 00:21:16,633 --> 00:21:17,733 WE HAD FURRY INFILTRATORS, 637 00:21:17,733 --> 00:21:18,900 PEOPLE TRYING, YOU KNOW -- WE 638 00:21:18,900 --> 00:21:19,733 HAD SECRET GROUPS. 639 00:21:19,733 --> 00:21:20,567 MINE WAS CALLED THE 640 00:21:20,567 --> 00:21:22,467 "ILLUMINATI/I/ILLUMINATI," AND 641 00:21:22,467 --> 00:21:24,333 OUR GOAL WAS TO WREAK AS MUCH 642 00:21:24,333 --> 00:21:26,200 HAVOC AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE IT 643 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,067 WAS STUPID. 644 00:21:27,067 --> 00:21:28,667 THERE WAS A POINT WHEN I 645 00:21:28,667 --> 00:21:30,567 OTHERWISE SEEMED A RESPECTABLE 646 00:21:30,567 --> 00:21:32,433 WRITER, IN 2007, AND MY FIRST 647 00:21:32,433 --> 00:21:34,467 BOOK HAD COME OUT LIKE THAT, BUT 648 00:21:34,467 --> 00:21:35,933 I SPENT MY EVENINGS ON 649 00:21:35,933 --> 00:21:37,933 "SECOND LIFE," THAT BIG VIRTUAL 650 00:21:37,933 --> 00:21:39,967 WORLD RIDING AROUND IN A VIRTUAL 651 00:21:39,967 --> 00:21:41,533 SPACESHIP WITH THE WORDS 652 00:21:41,533 --> 00:21:43,500 "FAGGORY DAGGORY DO" WRITTEN ON 653 00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:45,500 IT, WEARING AFROS, AND DROPPING 654 00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:47,533 VIRTUAL BOMBS ON LITTLE VILLAGES 655 00:21:47,533 --> 00:21:49,433 AND CONCERTS, AND WAVING GIANT 656 00:21:49,433 --> 00:21:50,533 PENISES AROUND. 657 00:21:50,533 --> 00:21:52,067 AND THAT WAS THE MOST FUN TIME I 658 00:21:52,067 --> 00:21:54,567 EVER HAD IN MY LIFE. 659 00:21:54,767 --> 00:21:56,633 >> ALL THESE DIFFERENT 660 00:21:56,633 --> 00:21:59,067 ORGANIZATIONS ONLINE, WHETHER 661 00:21:59,067 --> 00:22:01,567 IT'S 4chan OR JUST ANY WEBSITE, 662 00:22:01,567 --> 00:22:03,167 THERE'S TYPICALLY A COMMUNITY 663 00:22:03,167 --> 00:22:04,067 ASPECT TO IT. 664 00:22:04,067 --> 00:22:05,667 THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE THEIR 665 00:22:05,667 --> 00:22:06,867 SOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS. 666 00:22:06,867 --> 00:22:08,600 THIS IS WHERE THEIR FRIENDS ARE. 667 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,067 THIS IS WHERE THEY HAVE A 668 00:22:10,067 --> 00:22:10,967 CREATIVE OUTLET. 669 00:22:10,967 --> 00:22:12,500 AND SO ALL THOSE ASPECTS ARE 670 00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:13,833 GOING IN TO GROUPS LIKE 671 00:22:13,833 --> 00:22:15,533 ANONYMOUS WHERE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE 672 00:22:15,533 --> 00:22:17,167 THEY'RE PART OF A BIGGER THING 673 00:22:17,167 --> 00:22:18,667 AND THEY'RE ABLE TO EXPRESS 674 00:22:18,667 --> 00:22:20,200 THEMSELVES WITHIN THAT GROUP. 675 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,467 >> THERE WERE CERTAIN WORDS, 676 00:22:22,467 --> 00:22:24,633 CERTAIN PHRASES, CERTAIN WAYS 677 00:22:24,633 --> 00:22:26,500 PEOPLE RESPOND TO THINGS, 678 00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:28,700 CERTAIN IMAGES THAT ARE POSTED 679 00:22:28,700 --> 00:22:31,067 THAT CREATED A PATTERN, AND THAT 680 00:22:31,067 --> 00:22:33,367 PATTERN WAS, I GUESS, THE ORIGIN 681 00:22:33,367 --> 00:22:35,267 OF WHAT IS NOW ANONYMOUS. 682 00:22:35,267 --> 00:22:36,467 >> IT'S LIKE FREE MASONS WITH A 683 00:22:36,467 --> 00:22:37,633 SENSE OF HUMOR, IN SO MUCH THAT 684 00:22:37,633 --> 00:22:38,833 THEY HAVE THIS COMMON SYMBOLOGY 685 00:22:38,833 --> 00:22:40,567 AND ONE OF THEIR CHIEF JOYS, 686 00:22:40,567 --> 00:22:42,400 WHICH IS KIND OF WRAPPED UP IN 687 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,300 POWER AND SECRECY, WAS THE FACT 688 00:22:44,300 --> 00:22:46,133 THAT THEY COULD RECOGNIZE EACH 689 00:22:46,133 --> 00:22:47,733 OTHER BY REFERENCING THESE 690 00:22:47,733 --> 00:22:49,367 SYMBOLS, REFERENCING THESE 691 00:22:49,367 --> 00:22:51,367 PHRASES -- "OVER 9,000." 692 00:22:51,367 --> 00:22:53,533 >> IT'S OVER 9,000! 693 00:22:53,533 --> 00:22:56,867 >> "I LOST MY iPod," "MUDKIPZ," 694 00:22:56,867 --> 00:22:58,500 ANYTHING INVOLVING MUDKIPZ. 695 00:22:58,500 --> 00:23:00,367 SO YOU HAVE THIS WEIRD SORT OF 696 00:23:00,367 --> 00:23:02,267 INTERNATIONAL CULTURE DEVELOPING 697 00:23:02,267 --> 00:23:04,067 WITH PEOPLE ACROSS THE WORLD, 698 00:23:04,067 --> 00:23:05,333 WHEREVER THEY MAY BE. 699 00:23:05,333 --> 00:23:08,500 >> IN LATE '06, AND INTO EARLY 700 00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:10,133 '07, THERE'S A BIT OF A SEA 701 00:23:10,133 --> 00:23:11,833 CHANGE WHERE INSTEAD OF JUST 702 00:23:11,833 --> 00:23:13,600 POSTING A BUNCH OF CONTENT, OR 703 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,500 RANDOMLY SAYING, "WE'RE GOING TO 704 00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:17,367 GO OVER TO SOME WEBSITE AND POST 705 00:23:17,367 --> 00:23:18,900 A BUNCH OF DIRTY COMMENTS 706 00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:20,700 AGAINST SOMEONE," IT BECOMES A 707 00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:22,067 LITTLE MORE ORGANIZED. 708 00:23:22,267 --> 00:23:23,267 >> WELCOME TO 709 00:23:23,267 --> 00:23:24,600 "THE HAL TURNER SHOW"! 710 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:25,933 >> THEY WENT AFTER A GUY NAMED 711 00:23:25,933 --> 00:23:27,100 HAL TURNER. 712 00:23:27,100 --> 00:23:28,767 >> I AM BEING DISCRIMINATED 713 00:23:28,767 --> 00:23:31,300 AGAINST BECAUSE I'M WHITE. 714 00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:34,433 >> HAL TURNER WAS A NEO-NAZI WHO 715 00:23:34,433 --> 00:23:36,700 WAS BIG ONLINE AND HAD A 716 00:23:36,700 --> 00:23:37,733 PODCAST. 717 00:23:37,733 --> 00:23:39,067 >> I THINK THAT THE 14th 718 00:23:39,067 --> 00:23:41,233 AMENDMENT WAS NOT RATIFIED 719 00:23:41,233 --> 00:23:43,233 PROPERLY, AND I THINK, 720 00:23:43,233 --> 00:23:45,833 THEREFORE, IT IS STILL OKAY TO 721 00:23:45,833 --> 00:23:47,333 HAVE NEGROES AS SLAVES IN 722 00:23:47,333 --> 00:23:48,200 AMERICA. 723 00:24:23,567 --> 00:24:24,767 >> I'M LIKE, "YEAH, SCREW THAT 724 00:24:24,767 --> 00:24:25,700 RACIST SON OF A BITCH! 725 00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:26,733 LET'S DO THIS," YOU KNOW? 726 00:24:26,733 --> 00:24:28,200 SO I JOINED IN, AND I MADE SOME 727 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,700 OF THE PHONE CALLS AND I PLAYED 728 00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:31,167 AROUND ON THE CHAT THING ON HIS 729 00:24:31,167 --> 00:24:32,400 WEBSITE AND POSTED IN THE 730 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,467 THREADS, AND WHATNOT. 731 00:24:33,467 --> 00:24:34,333 >> WHO ARE YOU? 732 00:24:34,333 --> 00:24:35,600 WHERE YOU CALLING FROM? 733 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,067 >> [ Hispanic accent ] Hola! 734 00:24:37,067 --> 00:24:38,600 This is Pedro! From San Diego! 735 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,600 >> SPIC, DON'T CALL MY RADIO 736 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,433 SHOW ANYMORE, YOU FILTHY SPIC 737 00:24:42,433 --> 00:24:42,933 ANIMAL! 738 00:24:42,933 --> 00:24:45,867 >> The college that I go to has 739 00:24:45,867 --> 00:24:47,867 begun an integration program 740 00:24:47,867 --> 00:24:49,867 where they try and purposely 741 00:24:49,867 --> 00:24:51,933 lower standards to bring more 742 00:24:51,933 --> 00:24:53,800 blacks and "diversify" the 743 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:54,567 campus. 744 00:24:54,567 --> 00:24:56,733 And by the end of the next five 745 00:24:56,733 --> 00:24:58,667 years, they intend to bring 746 00:24:58,667 --> 00:25:00,233 over 9,000. 747 00:25:00,233 --> 00:25:01,933 >> HE WAS JUST A HORRIBLY RACIST 748 00:25:01,933 --> 00:25:03,600 RADIO PERSONALITY WHO SEEMED TO 749 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,200 HANDLE IT WELL WHEN YOU CALLED 750 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:05,567 IN. 751 00:25:05,567 --> 00:25:07,067 LIKE, HE COULD HANDLE BEING 752 00:25:07,067 --> 00:25:08,267 BERATED BY ANONYMOUS. 753 00:25:08,267 --> 00:25:09,467 AND THAT MADE IT VERY 754 00:25:09,467 --> 00:25:10,233 INTERESTING. 755 00:25:10,233 --> 00:25:11,933 IT MADE IT A BIT OF A CHALLENGE. 756 00:25:11,933 --> 00:25:13,400 IT WASN'T SOME GUY WHO JUST 757 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,833 EITHER CRUMBLED OR STOPPED 758 00:25:14,833 --> 00:25:16,067 ANSWERING THE PHONE. 759 00:25:16,067 --> 00:25:17,467 IT WAS A GUY WHO WOULD YELL 760 00:25:17,467 --> 00:25:17,933 BACK. 761 00:25:17,933 --> 00:25:19,667 >> I don't see really where 762 00:25:19,667 --> 00:25:21,267 you're going with this. 763 00:25:21,267 --> 00:25:23,233 >> WHERE I'M GOING IS I BELIEVE 764 00:25:23,233 --> 00:25:25,067 BARACK OBAMA IS GENETICALLY 765 00:25:25,067 --> 00:25:26,833 INCAPABLE OF EXERCISING THE 766 00:25:26,833 --> 00:25:28,767 POWER NECESSARY TO GOVERN THE 767 00:25:28,767 --> 00:25:30,500 MOST COMPLICATED NATION ON 768 00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:31,167 EARTH. 769 00:25:31,167 --> 00:25:32,967 THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH 770 00:25:32,967 --> 00:25:33,567 THIS. 771 00:25:33,567 --> 00:25:35,533 AND I THINK PART OF THE REASON 772 00:25:35,533 --> 00:25:37,433 HE'S INCAPABLE OF DOING IT IS 773 00:25:37,433 --> 00:25:39,133 BECAUSE OF RACIAL-GENETIC 774 00:25:39,133 --> 00:25:42,133 INFERIORITY. 775 00:25:42,133 --> 00:25:43,867 IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU? 776 00:25:43,867 --> 00:25:45,600 >> No, you changed the subject 777 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:46,167 again. 778 00:25:46,167 --> 00:25:47,767 >> WAIT A SECOND, YOU ASKED 779 00:25:47,767 --> 00:25:48,300 ME... 780 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:49,867 >> HAL TURNER WASN'T THE FIRST 781 00:25:49,867 --> 00:25:51,533 ACTUAL PERSON THAT ANONYMOUS HAD 782 00:25:51,533 --> 00:25:53,067 CAUSED TROUBLE FOR, BUT THE 783 00:25:53,067 --> 00:25:54,467 CIRCUMSTANCES ENDED UP BEING 784 00:25:54,467 --> 00:25:55,267 SIGNIFICANT. 785 00:25:55,267 --> 00:25:56,833 THEY DDoS'd HIS WEBSITE, STUFF 786 00:25:56,833 --> 00:25:58,500 LIKE THAT, COSTING HIM THOUSANDS 787 00:25:58,500 --> 00:26:00,267 OF DOLLARS IN BANDWIDTH FEES. 788 00:26:26,467 --> 00:26:27,700 >> AND THEN THEY ENDED UP 789 00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:29,067 GETTING SOME REAL HACKERS TO 790 00:26:29,067 --> 00:26:30,567 HELP THEM OUT, LIKE THIS WASN'T 791 00:26:30,567 --> 00:26:31,400 SORT OF PRANKS. 792 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,667 THEY ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO GET 793 00:26:33,667 --> 00:26:35,600 INTO HAL TURNER'S PRIVATE 794 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,067 SERVERS AND HIS MAIL SERVERS AND 795 00:26:38,067 --> 00:26:40,233 FIND SOME INTERESTING E-MAILS 796 00:26:40,233 --> 00:26:42,433 THAT HE WAS SERVING AS AN FBI 797 00:26:42,433 --> 00:26:44,567 INFORMANT, WHICH IF YOU'RE A 798 00:26:44,567 --> 00:26:46,700 RIGHT-WING NEO-NAZI IS NOT A 799 00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:47,933 GOOD THING BE. 800 00:26:47,933 --> 00:26:49,700 >> AND OBVIOUSLY, HIM BEING AN 801 00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:51,300 FBI INFORMANT, AND ALSO HIS 802 00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:52,700 REACTION -- HIS SORT OF 803 00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:54,500 DOUCHE-BAGGY REACTION -- TO THE 804 00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:56,233 RAIDS DAMAGED HIS CREDIBILITY 805 00:26:56,233 --> 00:26:57,933 WITHIN THE WHITE NATIONALISTS 806 00:26:57,933 --> 00:27:00,333 SCENE, WHICH IS A SHAME. 807 00:27:00,333 --> 00:27:02,100 >> HAL TURNER'S GONE. 808 00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:04,633 HE'S BEEN PROSECUTED BY THE FEDS 809 00:27:04,633 --> 00:27:06,533 FOR THREATENING JUDGES. 810 00:27:06,533 --> 00:27:07,667 >> IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE 811 00:27:07,667 --> 00:27:08,933 DIFFERENT, BUT IT ENDED UP BEING 812 00:27:08,933 --> 00:27:09,467 DIFFERENT. 813 00:27:09,467 --> 00:27:10,767 PEOPLE WHO OBSERVE ANONYMOUS SEE 814 00:27:10,767 --> 00:27:12,067 THIS GROUP CALLED ANONYMOUS IS 815 00:27:12,067 --> 00:27:12,933 GOING AFTER THIS WHITE 816 00:27:12,933 --> 00:27:14,167 NATIONALIST AND SAY, "OH, HEY, 817 00:27:14,167 --> 00:27:15,300 LOOK, ANONYMOUS MUST BE SOME 818 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:16,567 KIND OF ACTIVIST ORGANIZATION." 819 00:27:16,567 --> 00:27:17,900 SO, BY VIRTUE OF THOSE PEOPLE 820 00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:19,200 JOINING ANONYMOUS, ANONYMOUS 821 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,500 BECOMES MORE OF AN ACTIVIST 822 00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:21,200 ORGANIZATION. 823 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,733 WHAT FOLLOWS IS A PERIOD OF 824 00:27:22,733 --> 00:27:24,533 CONFUSION AND ANGER IN WHICH THE 825 00:27:24,533 --> 00:27:26,300 ORIGINAL ANONYMOUS PEOPLE -- THE 826 00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:28,067 SORT WHO WANT TO KEEP ANONYMOUS 827 00:27:28,067 --> 00:27:29,400 AS THIS NIHILIST LITTLE 828 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,067 RIDICULOUS GROUP -- ARE UPSET 829 00:27:31,067 --> 00:27:33,067 THAT NOW THE MOST TERRIBLE THING 830 00:27:33,067 --> 00:27:35,067 ON THE INTERNET IS NOW BECOMING 831 00:27:35,067 --> 00:27:36,633 A FORCE FOR GOOD ALL OF A 832 00:27:36,633 --> 00:27:37,500 SUDDEN. 833 00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:41,933 >> ANONYMOUS HAS NEVER BEEN 834 00:27:41,933 --> 00:27:43,833 ABOUT GETTING MEDIA ATTENTION OR 835 00:27:43,833 --> 00:27:45,567 GETTING ALL OF THIS ATTENTION 836 00:27:45,567 --> 00:27:46,400 TOWARDS IT. 837 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,467 I MEAN, IT'S A COMMUNITY, A 838 00:27:48,467 --> 00:27:50,367 PRETTY SOMETIMES INSULAR 839 00:27:50,367 --> 00:27:52,633 COMMUNITY THAT JUST KIND OF KEPT 840 00:27:52,633 --> 00:27:54,767 TO ITSELF, MADE JOKES AND MADE 841 00:27:54,767 --> 00:27:55,567 CONTENT. 842 00:27:55,567 --> 00:27:58,567 BUT THAT WAS, OF COURSE, CHANGED 843 00:27:58,567 --> 00:27:59,300 COMPLETELY. 844 00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:00,867 IT'S THROWN COMPLETELY ON ITS 845 00:28:00,867 --> 00:28:02,367 HEAD WHEN CHANOLOGY STARTED. 846 00:28:02,367 --> 00:28:04,533 >> ANONYMOUS BEGAN TO BECOME 847 00:28:04,533 --> 00:28:05,700 LESS JUST OF A CULTURE, YOU 848 00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:06,867 KNOW, OF PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO 849 00:28:06,867 --> 00:28:10,200 PERFORM PRANKS AND MORE OF THE 850 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,700 INTERNET'S FIRST ARMY. 851 00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:13,400 >> I'M MIKE VITALE, AND MY 852 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:14,767 HANDLE'S "SETHDOOD." 853 00:28:14,767 --> 00:28:16,933 NOW, THIS IS JANUARY 2008. 854 00:28:16,933 --> 00:28:18,067 ANONYMOUS IS STRONG NOW. 855 00:28:18,067 --> 00:28:19,200 YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT A LITTLE 856 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,433 DINKY FUCKING GROUP ANYMORE. 857 00:28:20,433 --> 00:28:21,767 LIKE, THIS IS, LIKE, MILLIONS OF 858 00:28:21,767 --> 00:28:22,967 PEOPLE WORLDWIDE, AND WE'RE 859 00:28:22,967 --> 00:28:23,467 WATCHING. 860 00:28:23,467 --> 00:28:24,800 AND THEN SCIENTOLOGY STEPPED IN 861 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,500 WITH A BIG TARGET ON ITS CHEST. 862 00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:28,067 >> A VIDEO CAME OUT OF 863 00:28:28,067 --> 00:28:28,800 TOM CRUISE. 864 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,500 IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, LIKE, AN 865 00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:31,933 INTERNAL SCIENTOLOGY VIDEO 866 00:28:31,933 --> 00:28:34,433 TALKING ABOUT SECRETS OF 867 00:28:34,433 --> 00:28:36,267 SCIENTOLOGY. 868 00:28:36,267 --> 00:28:38,433 >> BEING A SCIENTOLOGIST, WHEN 869 00:28:38,433 --> 00:28:40,733 YOU DRIVE PAST AN ACCIDENT, IT'S 870 00:28:40,733 --> 00:28:42,367 NOT LIKE ANYONE ELSE. 871 00:28:42,367 --> 00:28:43,933 AS YOU DRIVE PAST, YOU KNOW YOU 872 00:28:43,933 --> 00:28:45,400 HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT 873 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,067 BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU'RE THE ONLY 874 00:28:47,067 --> 00:28:48,267 ONE THAT CAN REALLY HELP. 875 00:28:48,267 --> 00:28:49,833 >> TALKS ABOUT "YOU'RE THE ONLY 876 00:28:49,833 --> 00:28:51,400 ONE WHO CAN STOP, YOU KNOW, BAD 877 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,600 THINGS FROM HAPPENING." 878 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,433 AND SO, THIS IS KIND OF WILDLY 879 00:28:54,433 --> 00:28:55,433 MOCKED ONLINE. 880 00:28:55,433 --> 00:28:58,100 >> IT CIRCULATED LIKE WILDFIRE. 881 00:28:58,100 --> 00:28:59,600 >> [ LAUGHING ] 882 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,067 [ Laughing ] THERE'S NOTHING 883 00:29:01,067 --> 00:29:04,167 PARTING A WAVE FOR ME. 884 00:29:04,167 --> 00:29:05,667 IT'S JUST "WHOO!" 885 00:29:05,667 --> 00:29:07,167 >> THESE PEOPLE FOUND IT 886 00:29:07,167 --> 00:29:08,433 HUMOROUS AND GOOFY. 887 00:29:08,433 --> 00:29:10,200 AND THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY 888 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,067 WENT INTO THEIR LEGAL MODE, AND 889 00:29:12,067 --> 00:29:13,833 THEY THREATENED WEBSITES WITH 890 00:29:13,833 --> 00:29:15,567 LAWSUITS IF THEY DIDN'T PULL 891 00:29:15,567 --> 00:29:16,600 DOWN THE VIDEO. 892 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,067 >> INSTANTLY, THE SCIENTOLOGISTS 893 00:29:19,067 --> 00:29:20,767 POST A DMCA -- DIGITAL 894 00:29:20,767 --> 00:29:22,300 MILLENNIUM COPYRIGHT ACT. 895 00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:23,767 AND THIS IS A WAY THAT IF YOU 896 00:29:23,767 --> 00:29:25,133 OWN CONTENT, YOU CAN GO TO VIDEO 897 00:29:25,133 --> 00:29:26,367 SITES, UPLOAD SITES AND HAVE 898 00:29:26,367 --> 00:29:27,733 YOUR CONTENT PULLED WHEN SOMEONE 899 00:29:27,733 --> 00:29:28,700 UPLOADS IT ILLEGALLY. 900 00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:30,067 >> SCIENTOLOGY'S ALWAYS AT ODDS 901 00:29:30,067 --> 00:29:31,400 WITH THE INTERNET, ALWAYS TRYING 902 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,700 TO LEGALLY BULLY PEOPLE OUT OF 903 00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:33,767 FUCKING THEM OVER ON THE 904 00:29:33,767 --> 00:29:34,300 INTERNET. 905 00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:36,300 THEY ALWAYS DID THAT. 906 00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:37,767 AND THEN HERE THEY ARE TRYING 907 00:29:37,767 --> 00:29:39,067 AGAIN, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? 908 00:29:39,067 --> 00:29:40,467 ANONYMOUS SAW THAT, AND THEY 909 00:29:40,467 --> 00:29:42,833 SAID, "OH, YOU GUYS JUST FUCKED 910 00:29:42,833 --> 00:29:44,067 AROUND BADLY. 911 00:29:44,067 --> 00:29:45,400 LIKE, YOU'RE TRYING TO CENSOR 912 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:46,133 OUR INTERNET. 913 00:29:46,133 --> 00:29:47,567 YOU KNOW, LIKE, ARE YOU TRYING 914 00:29:47,567 --> 00:29:48,767 TO TAKE A JOKE AWAY FROM 915 00:29:48,767 --> 00:29:49,367 ANONYMOUS? 916 00:29:49,367 --> 00:29:50,600 LIKE, YOU DON'T DO THAT." 917 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,933 >> WHAT THESE PEOPLE DID, IN 918 00:29:51,933 --> 00:29:53,300 THIS CASE -- GREGG HOUSH AND 919 00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:55,100 THESE OTHER PEOPLE -- WAS, THEY 920 00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:56,667 DECIDED, YOU KNOW, "WE CAN 921 00:29:56,667 --> 00:29:58,400 PROBABLY HARNESS ANONYMOUS IN 922 00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,633 THIS CASE AND TARGET 923 00:29:59,633 --> 00:30:00,567 SCIENTOLOGY." 924 00:30:00,567 --> 00:30:02,367 >> A FEW ANONS, A FEW PEOPLE ON 925 00:30:02,367 --> 00:30:04,033 4chan POSTED "HEY, WE SHOULD 926 00:30:04,033 --> 00:30:05,900 GRAB THAT VIDEO AND POST IT ON A 927 00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:07,000 FEW OTHER SITES." 928 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,267 AND I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN 929 00:30:09,267 --> 00:30:11,467 THAT THREAD TALKING ABOUT IT. 930 00:30:11,467 --> 00:30:12,600 WE GOT THE ORIGINAL SOURCE OF 931 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:13,800 THE VIDEO BY REACHING OUT TO THE 932 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:14,967 PERSON BEHIND THE ACCOUNTS AND 933 00:30:14,967 --> 00:30:15,500 EVERYTHING. 934 00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:16,567 WE START POSTING IT. 935 00:30:16,567 --> 00:30:18,000 THE SURPRISING THING WAS HOW 936 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,533 FAST THEY WERE DMCAing THEM ON 937 00:30:19,533 --> 00:30:20,200 EVERY SITE. 938 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,733 IT LOOKED TO US LIKE THEY MUST 939 00:30:21,733 --> 00:30:23,133 HAVE DIRECT CONTACT WITH THE 940 00:30:23,133 --> 00:30:24,400 LAWYERS AND THE TEAM WHO 941 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,967 ACTUALLY PULLS VIDEOS AT ALL OF 942 00:30:25,967 --> 00:30:26,700 THESE SITES. 943 00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:28,200 LIKE, IT WAS -- IT WAS MINUTES 944 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,667 AND THESE THINGS WERE FALLING 945 00:30:29,667 --> 00:30:30,100 DOWN. 946 00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:31,767 WE'RE LIKE, "HOLY CRAP. 947 00:30:31,767 --> 00:30:33,267 THAT'S MESSED UP." 948 00:30:33,267 --> 00:30:35,200 >> WHAT FOLLOWED WAS -- THIS IS 949 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,367 A TERM CALLED THE 950 00:30:36,367 --> 00:30:38,233 BARBRA STREISAND EFFECT -- AND 951 00:30:38,233 --> 00:30:39,667 THIS VIDEO, AS THEY'RE 952 00:30:39,667 --> 00:30:41,600 ATTEMPTING TO SUPPRESS IT, WENT 953 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,367 EVERYWHERE. 954 00:30:42,367 --> 00:30:44,167 LIKE, EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK ON THE 955 00:30:44,167 --> 00:30:45,967 INTERNET, YOU WERE GONNA STUMBLE 956 00:30:45,967 --> 00:30:47,000 UPON THIS VIDEO. 957 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,600 >> ACTUALLY, GAWKER, THE SITE 958 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,233 THAT I WORK FOR, WAS, I THINK, 959 00:30:50,233 --> 00:30:51,900 THE FIRST ONE TO PUT IT ON THE 960 00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:53,500 WEBSITE, AND WE GOT IN A HUGE 961 00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:55,133 LEGAL BATTLE WITH SCIENTOLOGY, 962 00:30:55,133 --> 00:30:57,000 WHO WANTED US TO TAKE IT DOWN. 963 00:31:02,967 --> 00:31:05,267 >> A GUY JOINS THE CHANNEL, AND 964 00:31:05,267 --> 00:31:07,667 HE SAYS, "YOU SHOULD ALL LOOK AT 965 00:31:07,667 --> 00:31:08,500 GAWKER." 966 00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:10,067 SO, WE GO OVER TO GAWKER, AND 967 00:31:10,067 --> 00:31:11,300 THE STRANGEST THING HAS 968 00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:11,933 HAPPENED. 969 00:31:11,933 --> 00:31:13,500 THIS BIG MEDIA COMPANY HAD THE 970 00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:15,167 VIDEO UP ON THEIR FRONT PAGE AND 971 00:31:15,167 --> 00:31:16,433 BASICALLY HAD A COMMENT 972 00:31:16,433 --> 00:31:17,933 UNDERNEATH OF IT THAT STATED 973 00:31:17,933 --> 00:31:19,600 VERY CLEARLY THAT THEY WERE SICK 974 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,267 OF THIS ABUSE THAT WAS GOING ON. 975 00:31:21,267 --> 00:31:23,100 THAT MADE US THINK, "WHAT HAVE 976 00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:24,733 WE GOT OURSELF MIXED UP IN 977 00:31:24,733 --> 00:31:25,300 HERE?" 978 00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:27,233 >> SCIENTOLOGY IS AN INTERESTING 979 00:31:27,233 --> 00:31:29,100 TARGET, BECAUSE IN SOME WAYS, 980 00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:31,067 IT'S THE PERFECT INVERSION OF 981 00:31:31,067 --> 00:31:32,867 WHAT GEEKS AND HACKERS VALUE. 982 00:31:32,867 --> 00:31:34,833 AT SO MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS -- 983 00:31:34,833 --> 00:31:36,700 SCIENCE FICTION, INTELLECTUAL 984 00:31:36,700 --> 00:31:40,067 PROPERTY, DISCOURSES OF FREEDOM, 985 00:31:40,067 --> 00:31:42,200 SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY. 986 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,267 IT'S VERY PROPRIETARY. 987 00:31:44,267 --> 00:31:45,567 IT'S CLOSED. 988 00:31:45,567 --> 00:31:47,900 AND SO, IN SOME WAYS, IF YOU HAD 989 00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:50,733 SOMETHING LIKE A CULTURAL 990 00:31:50,733 --> 00:31:52,467 INVERSION MACHINE AND YOU STUCK 991 00:31:52,467 --> 00:31:54,067 GEEKS AND HACKERS IN THERE, 992 00:31:54,067 --> 00:31:55,833 YOU'D GET SOMETHING THAT LOOKS A 993 00:31:55,833 --> 00:31:57,100 LOT LIKE SCIENTOLOGY. 994 00:31:57,100 --> 00:31:58,433 SO IT'S QUITE OFFENSIVE, AND 995 00:31:58,433 --> 00:32:00,833 THERE'S A REAL PLEASURE IN 996 00:32:00,833 --> 00:32:02,767 ATTACKING YOUR PERFECT NEMESIS. 997 00:32:02,767 --> 00:32:04,700 >> WHAT REALLY KIND OF DARED US 998 00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:06,700 AND SET US OFF ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY 999 00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:08,700 IS SPECIFICALLY THE TREATMENT OF 1000 00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:09,733 THEIR CRITICS. 1001 00:32:09,733 --> 00:32:11,567 ANYBODY WHO SAYS ANYTHING BAD 1002 00:32:11,567 --> 00:32:12,900 ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY IS 1003 00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:14,567 AUTOMATICALLY SOME SORT OF 1004 00:32:14,567 --> 00:32:16,400 CRIMINAL, SOME SORT OF CRAZY 1005 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,900 PERSON, A DRUG ADDICT. 1006 00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:19,367 IT'S JUST THAT KIND OF 1007 00:32:19,367 --> 00:32:21,433 MENTALITY, THAT KIND OF -- LIKE, 1008 00:32:21,433 --> 00:32:23,267 IF ANYBODY SAYS ANYTHING BAD 1009 00:32:23,267 --> 00:32:25,233 ABOUT YOU, WE'RE GONNA FUCK YOU 1010 00:32:25,233 --> 00:32:27,233 OVER IN THE WORST POSSIBLE WAY. 1011 00:32:27,233 --> 00:32:29,133 IT'S JUST -- IT RESONATED, LIKE, 1012 00:32:29,133 --> 00:32:30,933 THIS FEELING OF DISGUST WITHIN 1013 00:32:30,933 --> 00:32:31,333 US. 1014 00:32:31,333 --> 00:32:32,800 THAT WAS A BIG PROBLEM. 1015 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,533 THAT WAS THE BIG PROBLEM, THE 1016 00:32:34,533 --> 00:32:36,667 CENSORSHIP ASPECT OF IT, THE 1017 00:32:36,667 --> 00:32:38,767 AUDACITY OF THIS CULT, THIS 1018 00:32:38,767 --> 00:32:40,833 CREEPY CULT, TO GO INTO OUR 1019 00:32:40,833 --> 00:32:43,067 TERRITORY AND TELL US THAT WE 1020 00:32:43,067 --> 00:32:44,433 CAN'T POST THIS? 1021 00:32:44,433 --> 00:32:45,667 NO. FUCK THEM. 1022 00:32:45,667 --> 00:32:46,967 NO. IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 1023 00:32:46,967 --> 00:32:48,300 >> AND PEOPLE WHO KNEW WHAT 1024 00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:49,833 ANONYMOUS WAS TO BEGIN WITH WERE 1025 00:32:49,833 --> 00:32:50,800 LIKE, "OH, MY GOD. 1026 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,200 ANONYMOUS IS GONNA GO TO WAR 1027 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,100 WITH SCIENTOLOGY? 1028 00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:54,200 THIS SHOULD BE REALLY 1029 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:54,967 INTERESTING." 1030 00:32:54,967 --> 00:32:56,233 ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE IT'S TWO 1031 00:32:56,233 --> 00:32:57,167 WEIRD-ASS GROUPS. 1032 00:32:57,167 --> 00:32:58,567 I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN AN 1033 00:32:58,567 --> 00:32:59,900 ANON FOR A LONG FUCKING TIME. 1034 00:32:59,900 --> 00:33:01,200 I KNOW ANONYMOUS IS REALLY 1035 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:01,700 STRANGE. 1036 00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:03,567 LIKE, THEY'RE WEIRD, AND THE 1037 00:33:03,567 --> 00:33:05,667 STUFF WE LIKE IS WEIRD, AND IT'S 1038 00:33:05,667 --> 00:33:07,600 REALLY NOT MAINSTREAM AT ALL. 1039 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,700 NOW YOU HAVE SCIENTOLOGY -- ALSO 1040 00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:10,467 REALLY WEIRD. 1041 00:33:10,467 --> 00:33:11,967 A LOT OF CRAZY SHIT GOES DOWN. 1042 00:33:11,967 --> 00:33:13,367 ANYBODY ON THE OUTSIDE WHO'S 1043 00:33:13,367 --> 00:33:14,933 SEEN THIS IS GOING, "LET'S WATCH 1044 00:33:14,933 --> 00:33:16,167 THESE TWO RETARDS FIGHT. 1045 00:33:16,167 --> 00:33:17,767 LIKE, BOTH THEIR PANTS ARE GONNA 1046 00:33:17,767 --> 00:33:18,400 FALL DOWN. 1047 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:19,800 THEY'RE GONNA TRIP, AND IT'S 1048 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,300 GONNA HURT EVERYBODY, AND IT'S 1049 00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:22,400 GONNA BE HYSTERICAL." 1050 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,933 AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS ALL THESE 1051 00:33:23,933 --> 00:33:25,433 PEOPLE WHO WERE GEARED UP, THE 1052 00:33:25,433 --> 00:33:27,433 INFRASTRUCTURE WAS BUILT TO WAR 1053 00:33:27,433 --> 00:33:29,067 WITH OTHER ANONS, SAID, "YOU 1054 00:33:29,067 --> 00:33:30,333 KNOW WHAT -- FUCK IT. 1055 00:33:30,333 --> 00:33:32,333 EVERYBODY'S GONNA GET TOGETHER 1056 00:33:32,333 --> 00:33:34,067 AND POUND THE FUCK OUT OF 1057 00:33:34,067 --> 00:33:35,100 SCIENTOLOGY." 1058 00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:37,067 >> AND THEN THAT'S WHEN 4chan 1059 00:33:37,067 --> 00:33:38,767 KIND OF REARED INTO ACTION, 1060 00:33:38,767 --> 00:33:40,400 REALLY REARED INTO ACTION. 1061 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,233 AND THEY STARTED TO TROLL THE 1062 00:33:42,233 --> 00:33:43,700 CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY. 1063 00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:45,300 AND THIS TOOK THE FORM OF 1064 00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:46,933 PRANKING THE DIANETICS HOTLINE, 1065 00:33:46,933 --> 00:33:47,867 ORDERING PIZZAS. 1066 00:33:47,867 --> 00:33:49,500 >> EVERY FAX NUMBER WE GET, AND 1067 00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:50,767 WE'RE SHARING THEM ALL. 1068 00:33:50,767 --> 00:33:52,333 YOU KNOW, EVERY NUMBER WE GET, 1069 00:33:52,333 --> 00:33:54,167 WE'D SEND BLACK PIECES OF PAPER 1070 00:33:54,167 --> 00:33:55,933 ON A LOOP UNTIL IT WASTES ALL 1071 00:33:55,933 --> 00:33:56,700 THEIR INK. 1072 00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:58,533 I GO TO CALL THEM ON THE PHONE, 1073 00:33:58,533 --> 00:34:01,433 AND IT'S BUSY, BUSY, BUSY. 1074 00:34:01,433 --> 00:34:03,267 YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THEIR MAIN 1075 00:34:03,267 --> 00:34:05,133 FUCKING DIANETICS HOTLINE, THEIR 1076 00:34:05,133 --> 00:34:06,467 DIANETICS 800-NUMBER. 1077 00:34:06,467 --> 00:34:08,200 YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH BECAUSE 1078 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,400 ANONS HAVE COMPLETELY FUCKING 1079 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:10,533 CLOGGED IT AND JUST PROBABLY 1080 00:34:10,533 --> 00:34:11,400 SAYING STUPID SHIT. 1081 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,700 THE WHOLE IDEA WAS JUST YOU CALL 1082 00:34:12,700 --> 00:34:13,867 THEM JUST TO KEEP THEM ON THE 1083 00:34:13,867 --> 00:34:14,267 PHONE. 1084 00:34:14,267 --> 00:34:15,433 "WHAT'S AN ELROND? 1085 00:34:15,433 --> 00:34:17,100 HOW DO I DIANETICS MY FACE?" 1086 00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:18,800 THEY WERE NOT EXPECTING THAT, 1087 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,333 AND THEY COULDN'T HANDLE IT. 1088 00:34:25,233 --> 00:34:27,133 >> I'M BRIAN METTENBRINK. 1089 00:34:27,133 --> 00:34:28,933 I ALWAYS LIKED ANYTHING 1090 00:34:28,933 --> 00:34:31,233 TECHNICAL, MECHANICAL, ANYTHING 1091 00:34:31,233 --> 00:34:32,633 SCIENCEY, REALLY. 1092 00:34:32,633 --> 00:34:34,233 COMPUTERS DO WHAT YOU TELL THEM 1093 00:34:34,233 --> 00:34:34,600 TO. 1094 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,233 THEY DON'T ALL OF A SUDDEN START 1095 00:34:36,233 --> 00:34:37,267 DOING WEIRD STUFF. 1096 00:34:37,267 --> 00:34:38,800 AND IF THEY DO, IT'S PROBABLY 1097 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,300 YOUR FAULT, AND I ALWAYS LIKE 1098 00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:41,200 THAT, YOU KNOW. 1099 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,133 THEY'RE PERFECT, REALLY, IN A 1100 00:34:43,133 --> 00:34:43,633 WAY. 1101 00:34:43,633 --> 00:34:45,800 I'D JUST GONE TO 4chan JUST ON 1102 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,633 PURE HAPPENSTANCE, AND I SAW A 1103 00:34:48,633 --> 00:34:49,900 POST ABOUT THE SCIENTOLOGY 1104 00:34:49,900 --> 00:34:51,333 THING, AND I STARTED LOOKING UP 1105 00:34:51,333 --> 00:34:51,800 STUFF. 1106 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,067 AND I'M LIKE, "OH, THIS IS 1107 00:34:53,067 --> 00:34:54,367 ACTUALLY FOR A DECENT CAUSE. 1108 00:34:54,367 --> 00:34:55,633 I THINK I'LL, YOU KNOW, DO 1109 00:34:55,633 --> 00:34:56,500 THIS." 1110 00:34:56,700 --> 00:34:58,533 >> ANONYMOUS MEMBERS HAVE 1111 00:34:58,533 --> 00:35:00,333 DEVELOPED A DISTRIBUTED 1112 00:35:00,333 --> 00:35:01,833 DENIAL-OF-SERVICE ATTACK TOOL 1113 00:35:01,833 --> 00:35:03,667 CALLED LOW-ORBIT ION CANNON, 1114 00:35:03,667 --> 00:35:06,333 WHICH IS A NAME TAKEN FROM A 1115 00:35:06,333 --> 00:35:07,667 COMPUTER GAME. 1116 00:35:07,667 --> 00:35:09,867 >> LOW-ORBIT ION CANNON IS 1117 00:35:09,867 --> 00:35:12,067 WHAT'S CALLED AN ENDGAME WEAPON 1118 00:35:12,067 --> 00:35:13,233 IN "RED ALERT." 1119 00:35:13,433 --> 00:35:15,600 ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS LITERALLY 1120 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,500 FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS STEP BY 1121 00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:18,100 STEP. 1122 00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:19,833 I DOWNLOADED A PROGRAM THAT'S 1123 00:35:19,833 --> 00:35:21,533 FREE AND LEGAL FOR ANYONE TO 1124 00:35:21,533 --> 00:35:23,867 DOWNLOAD AND USE. 1125 00:35:23,867 --> 00:35:25,633 AND I FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS, 1126 00:35:25,633 --> 00:35:26,533 AND I TYPED IN 1127 00:35:26,533 --> 00:35:29,367 www.scientology.org, AND I 1128 00:35:29,367 --> 00:35:30,433 PUSHED "GO." 1129 00:35:30,433 --> 00:35:32,533 AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT TELLS 1130 00:35:32,533 --> 00:35:34,900 scientology.org, IN THIS CASE -- 1131 00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:36,933 IT TELLS THEM TO SEND THEIR 1132 00:35:36,933 --> 00:35:39,233 WEBSITE TO MY COMPUTER ABOUT, I 1133 00:35:39,233 --> 00:35:41,133 THINK, IT WAS 800,000 TIMES IN A 1134 00:35:41,133 --> 00:35:41,800 WEEKEND. 1135 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,600 AND I'M PRETTY SURE I PROBABLY 1136 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,433 TOOK IT DOWN MYSELF A COUPLE OF 1137 00:35:45,433 --> 00:35:46,067 TIMES. 1138 00:35:46,067 --> 00:35:48,533 >> THIS TOOL IS LOW-ORBIT ION 1139 00:35:48,533 --> 00:35:51,267 CANNON, SOMETIMES REFERRED TO AS 1140 00:35:51,267 --> 00:35:52,067 "LOIC." 1141 00:35:52,067 --> 00:35:54,133 I AM ACTUALLY NOT BREAKING ANY 1142 00:35:54,133 --> 00:35:56,333 LAWS BY USING THIS TOOL AGAINST 1143 00:35:56,333 --> 00:35:59,167 MY OWN COMPUTER, 127.0.0.1, 1144 00:35:59,167 --> 00:36:01,300 WHICH IS A NON-ROUTABLE ADDRESS. 1145 00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:03,100 BUT, OF COURSE, IF I WERE TO 1146 00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:05,167 HAVE ATTACKED ONE OF THOSE OTHER 1147 00:36:05,167 --> 00:36:07,067 BIGGER SITES OUT THERE, I WOULD 1148 00:36:07,067 --> 00:36:08,433 HAVE SEVERELY BEEN BREAKING THE 1149 00:36:08,433 --> 00:36:09,900 LAW AND WOULD HAVE BEEN DOING IT 1150 00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:11,300 IN A WAY THAT WAS QUITE EASY TO 1151 00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:11,733 TRACK. 1152 00:36:11,733 --> 00:36:13,133 WHAT YOU DO IS, YOU PUT IN THE 1153 00:36:13,133 --> 00:36:13,533 SITE. 1154 00:36:13,533 --> 00:36:14,667 YOU SEE THAT THE I.P. IS 1155 00:36:14,667 --> 00:36:15,200 CORRECT. 1156 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,500 YOU MAKE SURE THAT ALL THESE 1157 00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:18,333 SETTINGS ARE GOOD, AND YOU HIT 1158 00:36:18,333 --> 00:36:19,333 THE BUTTON. 1159 00:36:19,333 --> 00:36:20,333 AND OFF IT GOES. 1160 00:36:20,333 --> 00:36:22,067 >> IT FELT LIKE YOU WERE MAKING 1161 00:36:22,067 --> 00:36:24,400 A DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, JUST YOU 1162 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,467 YOURSELF AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN 1163 00:36:26,467 --> 00:36:28,567 HAVE TO LEAVE YOUR HOME, YOU 1164 00:36:28,567 --> 00:36:29,567 KNOW? 1165 00:36:29,567 --> 00:36:31,167 YOU JUST SAT AT YOUR COMPUTER 1166 00:36:31,167 --> 00:36:32,767 AND FOLLOWED INSTRUCTIONS AND 1167 00:36:32,767 --> 00:36:34,333 STOOD UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE 1168 00:36:34,333 --> 00:36:35,333 IN, SO TO SPEAK. 1169 00:36:35,333 --> 00:36:37,067 YOU MADE YOUR SAY IN THE WORLD, 1170 00:36:37,067 --> 00:36:38,467 AND HOPEFULLY IT TURNS OUT 1171 00:36:38,467 --> 00:36:39,367 BETTER FOR IT. 1172 00:36:39,367 --> 00:36:41,067 >> AND LIKE I SAID, WE NEED TO 1173 00:36:41,067 --> 00:36:41,833 MAKE A VIDEO. 1174 00:36:41,833 --> 00:36:43,533 WE HAVE TO MAKE A VIDEO. 1175 00:36:43,733 --> 00:36:45,300 >> HELLO, LEADERS OF 1176 00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:46,367 SCIENTOLOGY. 1177 00:36:46,367 --> 00:36:47,767 WE ARE ANONYMOUS. 1178 00:36:47,767 --> 00:36:49,667 >> WHEN THE VIDEO CAME OUT ON 1179 00:36:49,667 --> 00:36:51,567 JANUARY 21st, THAT WAS ONE OF 1180 00:36:51,567 --> 00:36:53,500 THE FIRST TIMES THAT ANONYMOUS 1181 00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:57,333 AS A CULTURE STARTED REFERRING 1182 00:36:57,333 --> 00:36:59,233 TO ITSELF AS "ANONYMOUS," AS A 1183 00:36:59,233 --> 00:37:01,133 MOVEMENT AND DECLARED THAT IT 1184 00:37:01,133 --> 00:37:02,833 WAS GOING TO TAKE DOWN AND 1185 00:37:02,833 --> 00:37:04,233 DESTROY THE CHURCH OF 1186 00:37:04,233 --> 00:37:05,267 SCIENTOLOGY. 1187 00:37:05,467 --> 00:37:06,700 THAT VIDEO PROBABLY CHANGED 1188 00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:07,333 EVERYTHING. 1189 00:37:07,333 --> 00:37:08,967 >> KNOWLEDGE IS FREE. 1190 00:37:08,967 --> 00:37:11,267 WE ARE ANONYMOUS. WE ARE LEGION. 1191 00:37:11,267 --> 00:37:12,667 WE DO NOT FORGIVE. 1192 00:37:12,667 --> 00:37:14,733 WE DO NOT FORGET. EXPECT US. 1193 00:37:14,733 --> 00:37:15,833 >> IT BASICALLY LOOKED LIKE IF A 1194 00:37:15,833 --> 00:37:16,900 COMPUTER WAS GOING TO TELL YOU 1195 00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:17,967 THAT HE WAS GONNA BEAT THE SHIT 1196 00:37:17,967 --> 00:37:18,933 OUT OF YOU, THIS IS WHAT IT 1197 00:37:18,933 --> 00:37:19,567 WOULD LOOK LIKE. 1198 00:37:19,567 --> 00:37:21,333 >> THAT ONE VIDEO, IT REALLY 1199 00:37:21,333 --> 00:37:23,100 GALVANIZED THAT MOMENT, THAT 1200 00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:26,100 MOMENT OF INNOVATION THAT THAT'S 1201 00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:27,833 EXACTLY -- LIKE, WITH THAT 1202 00:37:27,833 --> 00:37:29,700 VIDEO, INTERNET ACTIVISM, AS 1203 00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:31,500 IT'S KNOWN TODAY, WAS BORN. 1204 00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:33,367 >> WHAT THE VIDEO WAS SAYING 1205 00:37:33,367 --> 00:37:34,567 WAS, "IT'S OVER. 1206 00:37:34,567 --> 00:37:36,533 YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO 1207 00:37:36,533 --> 00:37:38,067 FOLLOW PEOPLE BACK TO THEIR 1208 00:37:38,067 --> 00:37:39,500 HOUSE ANYMORE WITH IMPUNITY. 1209 00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:41,100 YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO 1210 00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:42,633 JUST ISSUE A CEASE-AND-DESIST 1211 00:37:42,633 --> 00:37:44,333 LETTER TO ANY REPORTER WHO WANTS 1212 00:37:44,333 --> 00:37:45,833 TO WRITE SOME SHIT ABOUT YOU 1213 00:37:45,833 --> 00:37:47,433 THAT YOU DON'T LIKE, YOU KNOW. 1214 00:37:47,433 --> 00:37:48,767 THAT'S DONE WITH. 1215 00:37:48,767 --> 00:37:49,767 EVERY TIME YOU DO THAT, 1216 00:37:49,767 --> 00:37:50,867 ANONYMOUS IS GONNA HIT YOU 1217 00:37:50,867 --> 00:37:51,333 HARDER." 1218 00:37:51,333 --> 00:37:52,500 >> SO, WE MADE A VIDEO NAMED 1219 00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:53,200 "CALL TO ARMS." 1220 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,333 IT SAID "WE'RE GOING TO THE 1221 00:37:54,333 --> 00:37:54,800 STREETS. 1222 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,067 EVERY MAJOR CITY OF THE WORLD 1223 00:37:56,067 --> 00:37:57,533 HAS A SCIENTOLOGY BUILDING." 1224 00:37:57,733 --> 00:37:59,467 >> BE VERY WARY OF THE 10th OF 1225 00:37:59,467 --> 00:38:00,233 FEBRUARY. 1226 00:38:00,233 --> 00:38:02,067 ANONYMOUS INVITES YOU TO JOIN US 1227 00:38:02,067 --> 00:38:03,600 IN AN ACT OF SOLIDARITY. 1228 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,733 ANONYMOUS INVITES YOU TO TAKE UP 1229 00:38:05,733 --> 00:38:07,500 THE BANNER OF FREE SPEECH, OF 1230 00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:09,167 HUMAN RIGHTS, OF FAMILY AND 1231 00:38:09,167 --> 00:38:09,833 FREEDOM. 1232 00:38:09,833 --> 00:38:11,600 JOIN US IN PROTEST OUTSIDE OF 1233 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,433 SCIENTOLOGY CENTERS WORLDWIDE. 1234 00:38:13,433 --> 00:38:14,933 >> AND YOU JUST SEE THIS 1235 00:38:14,933 --> 00:38:16,100 CONSENSUS FORMING THAT IT'S 1236 00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:16,900 GOING TO HAPPEN. 1237 00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:18,200 SO WE MADE THE THIRD VIDEO, THE 1238 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,067 "CODE OF CONDUCT." 1239 00:38:19,067 --> 00:38:20,067 "DON'T BRING WEAPONS. 1240 00:38:20,067 --> 00:38:20,867 DRESS ACCORDINGLY. 1241 00:38:20,867 --> 00:38:22,067 COVER YOUR FACES 'CAUSE THEY 1242 00:38:22,067 --> 00:38:23,333 WILL TRY AND FIND OUT WHO YOU 1243 00:38:23,333 --> 00:38:25,200 ARE AND SCREW WITH YOUR LIFE." 1244 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,433 >> RULE NUMBER 17 -- COVER YOUR 1245 00:38:27,433 --> 00:38:28,067 FACE. 1246 00:38:28,067 --> 00:38:29,533 THIS WILL PREVENT YOUR 1247 00:38:29,533 --> 00:38:31,600 IDENTIFICATION FROM VIDEOS TAKEN 1248 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:32,567 BY HOSTILES. 1249 00:38:32,567 --> 00:38:34,633 >> SCIENTOLOGY HAS A HISTORY OF 1250 00:38:34,633 --> 00:38:36,600 HARASSING, STALKING, AND JUST 1251 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,500 DOING HORRIBLE THINGS TO ITS 1252 00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:39,233 CRITICS. 1253 00:38:39,233 --> 00:38:41,267 SO PEOPLE NEEDED A WAY TO HIDE 1254 00:38:41,267 --> 00:38:42,533 THEIR IDENTITIES. 1255 00:38:42,533 --> 00:38:43,433 A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD VERY 1256 00:38:43,433 --> 00:38:44,133 LEGITIMATE FEARS. 1257 00:38:44,133 --> 00:38:45,267 THEY DON'T WANT TO BE FOLLOWED 1258 00:38:45,267 --> 00:38:45,567 HOME. 1259 00:38:45,567 --> 00:38:46,667 THEY DON'T WANT TO BE STALKED. 1260 00:38:46,667 --> 00:38:47,700 THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT THEIR 1261 00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:48,700 FAMILIES AND THEMSELVES IN 1262 00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:49,067 DANGER. 1263 00:38:49,067 --> 00:38:50,133 >> EVERYONE WAS GOING, "WELL, 1264 00:38:50,133 --> 00:38:51,067 WE'RE GONNA WEAR A MASK. 1265 00:38:51,067 --> 00:38:52,100 WHAT'S THE ONLY FUCKING MASK 1266 00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:53,200 THAT WE ALREADY KNOW OR HAVE A 1267 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:53,733 JOKE ABOUT?" 1268 00:38:53,733 --> 00:38:54,833 AND IT'S THE GUY FAWKES MASK. 1269 00:38:54,833 --> 00:38:55,500 YOU SEE THE MOVIE 1270 00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:56,200 "V FOR VENDETTA." 1271 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,367 YOU KNOW, THE ENDING SCENE WHERE 1272 00:38:57,367 --> 00:38:58,233 EVERYONE'S WEARING THE 1273 00:38:58,233 --> 00:39:00,200 GUY FAWKES MASK, THAT IS VERY 1274 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,100 REMINISCENT OF WHAT ANONYMOUS 1275 00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:08,133 THINKS ANONYMOUS IS. 1276 00:39:08,333 --> 00:39:11,833 WE WANTED TO REPRESENT ANONYMITY 1277 00:39:11,833 --> 00:39:13,767 IN SOME WAY WHEN IT MOVED INTO 1278 00:39:13,767 --> 00:39:14,600 REAL LIFE. 1279 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,633 I THINK THAT THE GUY FAWKES MASK 1280 00:39:16,633 --> 00:39:18,400 WAS ONE OF THE MOST NATURAL 1281 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:19,600 THINGS TO HAPPEN. 1282 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,533 IT IS THE IDEA THAT NONE OF US 1283 00:39:21,533 --> 00:39:22,700 ARE AS CRUEL AS ALL OF US. 1284 00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:26,200 YOU HAVE THIS MASSIVE CROWD OF 1285 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,167 PEOPLE WHO ARE ANONYMOUS THAT IS 1286 00:39:28,167 --> 00:39:30,067 GOING TO FIGHT AGAINST A BIGGER 1287 00:39:30,067 --> 00:39:30,867 THING AND WIN. 1288 00:39:30,867 --> 00:39:32,133 >> EVEN AFTER WATCHING THE 1289 00:39:32,133 --> 00:39:33,500 VIDEOS, LIKE, "YEAH, THIS IS 1290 00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:34,967 GREAT, BUT WHO'S ACTUALLY GONNA 1291 00:39:34,967 --> 00:39:35,433 DO IT? 1292 00:39:35,433 --> 00:39:36,467 WHO'S GONNA STEP UP? 1293 00:39:36,467 --> 00:39:37,867 ARE PEOPLE ACTUALLY GONNA GET 1294 00:39:37,867 --> 00:39:38,900 OUT OF THEIR HOUSE?" 1295 00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:40,733 LIKE -- AND I GUESS WE WERE 1296 00:39:40,733 --> 00:39:41,900 REALLY AFFECTED BY THE 1297 00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:44,067 STEREOTYPE OF THAT WHOLE 1298 00:39:44,067 --> 00:39:45,833 COMMUNITY, BEING INTERNET NERDS. 1299 00:39:45,833 --> 00:39:47,333 THEY'RE TOO AFRAID TO LEAVE 1300 00:39:47,333 --> 00:39:48,633 THEIR MOMS' BASEMENTS. 1301 00:39:48,633 --> 00:39:50,567 I FIGURED MAYBE 15 NERDS FROM 1302 00:39:50,567 --> 00:39:52,633 EVERY CITY SOMEWHERE MIGHT SHOW 1303 00:39:52,633 --> 00:39:53,767 UP AND WEAR THEIR MASKS AT A 1304 00:39:53,767 --> 00:39:54,967 BUILDING FOR AWHILE AND LEAVE. 1305 00:39:54,967 --> 00:39:56,233 >> NO ONE THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE 1306 00:39:56,233 --> 00:39:57,433 GONNA COME OUT. 1307 00:39:57,633 --> 00:40:00,067 THIS IS ME ON THE WAY THERE. 1308 00:40:00,067 --> 00:40:01,133 I HAVEN'T SLEPT. 1309 00:40:01,133 --> 00:40:02,667 I'M VERY FUCKING TIRED. 1310 00:40:02,867 --> 00:40:04,600 AND I REMEMBER GOING TO THE PARK 1311 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,000 THAT DAY, AND IT'S REALLY 1312 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,600 FUCKING EARLY IN THE MORNING, 1313 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,767 WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A BAD IDEA. 1314 00:40:09,767 --> 00:40:11,033 AND I'M SMOKING A CIGARETTE, AND 1315 00:40:11,033 --> 00:40:12,233 I'M LOOKING AROUND LIKE, "WHERE 1316 00:40:12,233 --> 00:40:13,167 THE FUCK IS EVERYBODY? 1317 00:40:13,167 --> 00:40:15,333 LIKE, THERE'S NOBODY HERE." 1318 00:40:15,333 --> 00:40:17,500 SO, HERE I AM SITTING IN 1319 00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:20,167 BRYANT PARK. 1320 00:40:20,167 --> 00:40:21,667 WAITING FOR THE OTHER ANONS TO 1321 00:40:21,667 --> 00:40:22,200 SHOW UP. 1322 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,700 I REMEMBER THINKING LIKE, "OH, 1323 00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:24,133 FUCK. 1324 00:40:24,133 --> 00:40:25,700 LIKE, AM I GONNA BE THE ONLY ONE 1325 00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:26,400 IN THE PARK? 1326 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,900 AM I GONNA WALK TO SCIENTOLOGY 1327 00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:29,167 WITH FUCKING SIX OR SEVEN 1328 00:40:29,167 --> 00:40:30,633 PEOPLE, WHICH TOTALLY DEFEATS 1329 00:40:30,633 --> 00:40:31,933 THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THIS 1330 00:40:31,933 --> 00:40:33,500 BECAUSE NOW THEY COULD SINGLE ME 1331 00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:33,933 OUT?" 1332 00:40:33,933 --> 00:40:35,267 YOU KNOW, THEN I GET UP, AND I 1333 00:40:35,267 --> 00:40:36,633 START WALKING AROUND, AND I SEE 1334 00:40:36,633 --> 00:40:38,000 THERE'S A LOT OF GREEN BALLOONS 1335 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,233 OVER THERE FOR SOME REASON. 1336 00:40:39,233 --> 00:40:42,233 ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PARK, 1337 00:40:42,233 --> 00:40:43,967 THERE WAS LIKE FUCKING 200 1338 00:40:43,967 --> 00:40:44,633 PEOPLE. 1339 00:40:44,633 --> 00:40:46,333 THERE WAS GUY FAWKES MASKS 1340 00:40:46,333 --> 00:40:48,333 EVERYWHERE, AND I'M LIKE, "HOLY 1341 00:40:48,333 --> 00:40:51,833 SHIT, THIS IS HUGE!" 1342 00:40:51,833 --> 00:40:55,167 THERE'S A FUCKING LOT OF US. 1343 00:40:55,167 --> 00:40:56,667 THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. 1344 00:40:56,667 --> 00:40:58,200 I HAD NO IDEA HOW MANY ANONS 1345 00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,667 THERE WERE UNTIL WE STARTED 1346 00:40:59,667 --> 00:41:00,733 MOVING. 1347 00:41:00,733 --> 00:41:02,067 HA HA. 1348 00:41:02,067 --> 00:41:07,067 AND IT JUST FUCKING GOT BIGGER. 1349 00:41:07,067 --> 00:41:08,867 I REMEMBER WALKING THROUGH 1350 00:41:08,867 --> 00:41:10,933 TIMES SQUARE, AND EVERYBODY IN 1351 00:41:10,933 --> 00:41:12,667 TIMES SQUARE WAS AN ANON. 1352 00:41:12,667 --> 00:41:14,233 LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, LIKE, A 1353 00:41:14,233 --> 00:41:15,733 FUCKING 1,000-PERSON PER, LIKE, 1354 00:41:15,733 --> 00:41:17,067 FUCKING MINUTE FOOT-TRAFFIC 1355 00:41:17,067 --> 00:41:18,267 AREA, AND EVERYWHERE I'M 1356 00:41:18,267 --> 00:41:19,833 LOOKING, I'M SEEING FUCKING ANON 1357 00:41:19,833 --> 00:41:21,067 SYMBOLS. 1358 00:41:21,067 --> 00:41:22,833 IT WAS FUCKING WILD. 1359 00:41:22,833 --> 00:41:24,367 IT WAS REALLY WILD. 1360 00:41:29,667 --> 00:41:31,167 [ CROWD CHANTING 1361 00:41:31,167 --> 00:41:34,633 "DON'T DRINK THE KOOL-AID" ] 1362 00:41:40,333 --> 00:41:43,833 [ LAUGHS ] 1363 00:41:43,833 --> 00:41:46,867 >> WHOO! 1364 00:41:46,867 --> 00:41:47,867 HELL, YEAH! 1365 00:41:47,867 --> 00:41:49,200 >> SO WE START GETTING NUMBERS 1366 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,367 IN, AND SYDNEY. 1367 00:41:51,367 --> 00:41:52,700 WE'RE THINKING THAT IT'S GOING 1368 00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:54,867 TO BE 50 PEOPLE. 1369 00:41:54,867 --> 00:41:56,467 AND BEFORE 10:00 A.M., BEFORE 1370 00:41:56,467 --> 00:41:58,067 EVEN TIME, THERE'S ALREADY 50 1371 00:41:58,067 --> 00:41:59,533 PEOPLE THERE, AND THERE ARE 1372 00:41:59,533 --> 00:42:01,300 STILL STREAMS OF PEOPLE WALKING 1373 00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:03,300 DOWN THE STREETS. 1374 00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:04,467 A COUPLE HOURS INTO IT, YOU 1375 00:42:04,467 --> 00:42:05,767 KNOW, 'CAUSE I DIDN'T GO TO BED 1376 00:42:05,767 --> 00:42:07,067 UNTIL 1:00 IN THE MORNING, YOU 1377 00:42:07,067 --> 00:42:08,333 KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT SYDNEY 1378 00:42:08,333 --> 00:42:10,900 AS, "WOW, THERE'S 250 PEOPLE IN 1379 00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:11,767 SYDNEY. 1380 00:42:11,767 --> 00:42:13,333 THE COPS ARE ESTIMATING HIGHER 1381 00:42:13,333 --> 00:42:14,800 THAN THAT FOR THEIR REPORTS. 1382 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,467 WHAT JUST HAPPENED? 1383 00:42:16,467 --> 00:42:18,667 ADELAIDE, PERTH, AND MELBOURNE 1384 00:42:18,667 --> 00:42:19,533 HAPPENED. 1385 00:42:19,533 --> 00:42:21,400 AND, YOU KNOW, OVER 200 AT EACH 1386 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,067 OF THEM. 1387 00:42:22,067 --> 00:42:23,833 WE NEARLY BROKE 1,000 LEAVING 1388 00:42:23,833 --> 00:42:25,333 AUSTRALIA. 1389 00:42:25,333 --> 00:42:26,633 NOW, THE NEXT PROTEST WAS 1390 00:42:26,633 --> 00:42:28,067 TEL AVIV, WHICH HAD ACTUALLY 1391 00:42:28,067 --> 00:42:29,500 GOTTEN ITS FIRST SCIENTOLOGY 1392 00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:30,900 BUILDING RIGHT BEFORE THIS. 1393 00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:32,067 THERE WERE PALESTINIANS AND 1394 00:42:32,067 --> 00:42:33,233 ISRAELIS AT THIS PROTEST BOTH 1395 00:42:33,233 --> 00:42:34,133 HOLDING THEIR FLAGS. 1396 00:42:34,133 --> 00:42:35,433 AND AT ONE POINT, THEY ACTUALLY 1397 00:42:35,433 --> 00:42:36,700 SWITCHED FLAGS AND HELD UP EACH 1398 00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:37,800 OTHER'S FLAGS AND WHATNOT. 1399 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:38,800 IT WAS AWESOME TO SEE. 1400 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,067 I CALL OUR GUY IN LONDON, 1401 00:42:40,067 --> 00:42:41,233 BRITERNON, AND I SAY, "HEY, 1402 00:42:41,233 --> 00:42:42,367 WHAT'S GOING ON THERE?" 1403 00:42:42,367 --> 00:42:43,800 AND HE'S LIKE, "DID YOU JUST GET 1404 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:44,500 OUT OF BED?" 1405 00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:45,833 I SAID, "YEAH, I HAVEN'T EVEN 1406 00:42:45,833 --> 00:42:46,933 TURNED ON THE COMPUTER. 1407 00:42:46,933 --> 00:42:48,267 I JUST FIGURED I'D CALL YOU." 1408 00:42:48,267 --> 00:42:49,900 AND HE SAID, "WE GOT 600 PEOPLE 1409 00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:51,533 AND THE COPS ARE REALLY, REALLY 1410 00:42:51,533 --> 00:42:53,533 MAD AT ME." 1411 00:42:53,533 --> 00:42:54,900 >> ALL THE MAJOR CITIES WERE 1412 00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:56,333 HAVING HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE COME 1413 00:42:56,333 --> 00:42:56,700 OUT. 1414 00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:58,533 IT WAS MASSIVE. 1415 00:42:58,533 --> 00:43:02,600 CLEARWATER HAD LIKE 300 PEOPLE. 1416 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,333 >> I DON'T THINK ANYONE BEAT OUT 1417 00:43:04,333 --> 00:43:04,733 L.A. 1418 00:43:04,733 --> 00:43:06,233 I THINK L.A. HAD OVER 1,000 1419 00:43:06,233 --> 00:43:10,733 PEOPLE. 1420 00:43:10,733 --> 00:43:12,433 >> THE THING THAT HAPPENED WAS 1421 00:43:12,433 --> 00:43:14,167 SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. 1422 00:43:14,167 --> 00:43:15,900 HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE 1423 00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:19,067 FROM EVERY CITY JUST SWARMED THE 1424 00:43:19,067 --> 00:43:21,067 STREETS. 1425 00:43:21,067 --> 00:43:22,567 IT WAS KIND OF OVERWHELMING, A 1426 00:43:22,567 --> 00:43:24,100 LITTLE EVEN SCARY, BUT SCARY IN 1427 00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:24,800 A GOOD WAY. 1428 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,167 >> SOON, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT 1429 00:43:26,167 --> 00:43:27,533 AROUND THE 10,000 MARK, YOU 1430 00:43:27,533 --> 00:43:28,967 KNOW, AND WE WERE JOKING THE 1431 00:43:28,967 --> 00:43:30,367 WHOLE TIME "OVER 9,000," YOU 1432 00:43:30,367 --> 00:43:31,667 KNOW, ONE OF THOSE MEMES. 1433 00:43:31,667 --> 00:43:33,067 IT WAS TOO SURREAL. 1434 00:43:33,067 --> 00:43:35,067 IT WAS NOT BELIEVABLE. 1435 00:43:35,233 --> 00:43:36,400 [ HORN HONKS ] 1436 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,233 >> AND YOU GO BY WHAT NAME? 1437 00:43:38,233 --> 00:43:40,733 >> WE ARE ANONYMOUS. 1438 00:43:40,733 --> 00:43:42,100 >> IT WAS VERY EMPOWERING, 1439 00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:43,667 ESPECIALLY AFTER PEOPLE SAW THE 1440 00:43:43,667 --> 00:43:45,267 THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP. 1441 00:43:45,267 --> 00:43:46,067 THIS WAS IT. 1442 00:43:46,067 --> 00:43:47,267 WE OWNED THE WORLD AT THAT 1443 00:43:47,267 --> 00:43:47,733 POINT. 1444 00:43:47,733 --> 00:43:49,133 YOU'VE GOT LOLCATS AND YOU'VE 1445 00:43:49,133 --> 00:43:50,067 GOT RICKROLLING. 1446 00:43:50,067 --> 00:43:51,300 YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE OTHER 1447 00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:52,733 THINGS THAT ANONYMOUS HAS BEEN 1448 00:43:52,733 --> 00:43:53,433 INVOLVED IN. 1449 00:43:53,433 --> 00:43:55,567 THEN, YOU KNOW, TAKE US A MONTH 1450 00:43:55,567 --> 00:43:57,433 LATER AND, YOU KNOW, 10,000 1451 00:43:57,433 --> 00:43:58,933 PEOPLE WERE JUST IN THE STREETS 1452 00:43:58,933 --> 00:44:01,067 AND IN EVERY MAJOR COUNTRY IN 1453 00:44:01,067 --> 00:44:03,067 THE WORLD IN EVERY MAJOR CITY 1454 00:44:03,067 --> 00:44:05,100 IN THE WORLD AND WHAT THE HELL 1455 00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:06,233 JUST HAPPENED? 1456 00:44:06,233 --> 00:44:07,800 WHAT CHANGED, YOU KNOW? 1457 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,367 WHO FLIPPED THE SWITCH? 1458 00:44:09,367 --> 00:44:11,367 THE WORLD LOOKED VERY DIFFERENT 1459 00:44:11,367 --> 00:44:12,767 TO ME AT THAT POINT. 1460 00:44:12,767 --> 00:44:14,433 >> WE ALL MET EACH OTHER. 1461 00:44:14,433 --> 00:44:16,467 THE IDEA OF AN ANON IS YOU'RE 1462 00:44:16,467 --> 00:44:18,533 FUCKING ALONE UNTIL YOU GET TO 1463 00:44:18,533 --> 00:44:20,700 4chan, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THESE 1464 00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:22,900 PEOPLE THINK LIKE YOU, YOU KNOW. 1465 00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:24,667 THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU'RE NOT 1466 00:44:24,667 --> 00:44:25,200 ALONE. 1467 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,900 YOU ARE WITH FUCKING 500 OTHERS, 1468 00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:28,900 YOU KNOW. 1469 00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:31,067 THEY ALL KNOW THE SAME JOKES AS 1470 00:44:31,067 --> 00:44:31,600 YOU. 1471 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,967 THEY ALL HAVE -- CLEARLY HAVE 1472 00:44:33,967 --> 00:44:36,067 SIMILAR INTERESTS AS YOU. 1473 00:44:36,067 --> 00:44:38,533 HERE'S YOUR CULTURE. 1474 00:44:38,533 --> 00:44:40,700 YOU MEET YOUR OWN PEOPLE 1475 00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:41,400 FINALLY. 1476 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:42,533 [ CROWD CHANTING 1477 00:44:42,533 --> 00:44:44,300 "DON'T DRINK THE KOOL-AID" ] 1478 00:44:44,300 --> 00:44:45,900 >> IMMEDIATELY, YOU FELT LIKE 1479 00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:46,933 YOU WERE AT HOME. 1480 00:44:46,933 --> 00:44:48,633 IF YOU WERE AN ANON, YOU WERE AT 1481 00:44:48,633 --> 00:44:49,100 HOME. 1482 00:44:49,100 --> 00:44:50,833 WE ALL, LIKE, SPENT YEARS IN THE 1483 00:44:50,833 --> 00:44:52,533 SAME PLACE, LOOKING AT THE SAME 1484 00:44:52,533 --> 00:44:54,167 PICTURES, LAUGHING AT THE SAME 1485 00:44:54,167 --> 00:44:56,167 JOKES, AND WE PRETTY MUCH WERE 1486 00:44:56,167 --> 00:44:57,600 ALREADY FRIENDS EVEN THOUGH 1487 00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:58,867 WE'VE NEVER, EVERY MET. 1488 00:44:58,867 --> 00:45:02,133 IT WAS VERY HAPPY. 1489 00:45:04,333 --> 00:45:05,833 >> IT'S PERHAPS A LITTLE 1490 00:45:05,833 --> 00:45:06,867 SURPRISING. 1491 00:45:06,867 --> 00:45:08,800 IT'S NOT JUST PRETEENS OR 1492 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:09,767 TEENAGERS. 1493 00:45:09,767 --> 00:45:12,067 THERE'S A FAR MORE EVEN MIX OF 1494 00:45:12,067 --> 00:45:14,400 MALES AND FEMALES THAN YOU WOULD 1495 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:15,867 IMAGINE OTHERWISE. 1496 00:45:15,867 --> 00:45:17,400 >> EVERYONE ALWAYS FIGURED 1497 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,100 ANONYMOUS WAS A VERY MALE, YOU 1498 00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:20,867 KNOW, THING, BUT IT WASN'T LIKE 1499 00:45:20,867 --> 00:45:22,367 THAT AT ALL -- AT ALL. 1500 00:45:22,367 --> 00:45:24,067 THERE'S SOME FUCKING HOT GIRLS 1501 00:45:24,067 --> 00:45:24,933 COME THROUGH. 1502 00:45:24,933 --> 00:45:26,533 LIKE, THERE'S SOME REALLY -- 1503 00:45:26,533 --> 00:45:29,200 LIKE, YOU'D BE SURPRISED. 1504 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,500 >> AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE A 1505 00:45:30,500 --> 00:45:31,733 LOT OF -- A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, 1506 00:45:31,733 --> 00:45:33,100 THESE SO-CALLED GUYS WHO WEREN'T 1507 00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:33,800 SOCIALLY GOOD. 1508 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,067 THEY WERE VERY AWKWARD. 1509 00:45:35,067 --> 00:45:36,467 THEY STILL LIVED AT HOME AT 1510 00:45:36,467 --> 00:45:38,067 23 -- HALF OF THEM ARE VIRGINS. 1511 00:45:38,067 --> 00:45:40,333 AND I'LL TELL YOU THE AMOUNT OF 1512 00:45:40,333 --> 00:45:42,567 THOSE PEOPLE WHO GOT LAID FROM 1513 00:45:42,567 --> 00:45:44,767 THESE PROTESTS HAPPENING IS IN 1514 00:45:44,767 --> 00:45:47,067 THE THOUSANDS -- THAT WOULD NOT 1515 00:45:47,067 --> 00:45:48,933 HAVE, FOR YEARS PROBABLY. 1516 00:45:48,933 --> 00:45:50,600 >> AND THAT'S WHY THOSE PROTESTS 1517 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:51,633 WERE SO IMPORTANT. 1518 00:45:51,633 --> 00:45:53,267 IT WAS A CHANCE TO FINALLY MEET 1519 00:45:53,267 --> 00:45:54,433 OTHER PEOPLE THAT WERE 1520 00:45:54,433 --> 00:45:55,900 PREVIOUSLY ANONYMOUS AND 1521 00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:57,600 UNKNOWN, AND HENCE IT WAS THE 1522 00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,267 MOMENT OF THE END OF THEIR 1523 00:45:59,267 --> 00:46:00,200 ANONYMITY. 1524 00:46:04,567 --> 00:46:06,700 >> SCIENTOLOGY -- THEY KIND OF 1525 00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:08,500 FOUGHT BACK, SO TO SPEAK. 1526 00:46:08,500 --> 00:46:10,333 THEY POSTED STUFF ONLINE. 1527 00:46:10,333 --> 00:46:11,867 >> WHILE CLAIMING THEY ARE 1528 00:46:11,867 --> 00:46:13,500 PEACEFUL, IN LESS THAN THREE 1529 00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:15,667 WEEKS, ANONYMOUS MEMBERS MADE OR 1530 00:46:15,667 --> 00:46:19,533 ENCOURAGED 8,139 HARASSING OR 1531 00:46:19,533 --> 00:46:23,300 THREATENING PHONE CALLS, 3.6 1532 00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:27,167 MILLION MALICIOUS E-MAILS, 141 1533 00:46:27,167 --> 00:46:29,933 MILLION HITS AGAINST CHURCH 1534 00:46:29,933 --> 00:46:33,067 WEBSITES, 10 ACTS OF VANDALISM, 1535 00:46:33,067 --> 00:46:35,833 22 BOMB THREATS, AND 8 DEATH 1536 00:46:35,833 --> 00:46:38,500 THREATS AGAINST MEMBERS AND 1537 00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:39,667 OFFICIALS OF THE CHURCH OF 1538 00:46:39,667 --> 00:46:42,533 SCIENTOLOGY. 1539 00:46:42,733 --> 00:46:44,900 >> THEY WANTED TO FIND ME. 1540 00:46:44,900 --> 00:46:47,233 THEY DID. THEY HIRED P.I.s. 1541 00:46:47,233 --> 00:46:48,667 >> THEY STARTED TAKING PICTURES 1542 00:46:48,667 --> 00:46:50,067 OF US, THREATENING TO SUE US. 1543 00:46:50,067 --> 00:46:51,800 >> PEOPLE WERE GETTING FOLLOWED. 1544 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,433 PEOPLE WERE GETTING FOLLOWED 1545 00:46:53,433 --> 00:46:53,900 HOME. 1546 00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:55,467 IT'D BE A REGULAR THING FOR 1547 00:46:55,467 --> 00:46:57,300 SOMEONE TO SAY, "OH, I HAD TO -- 1548 00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:58,900 I HAD TO LOSE SOMEONE ON THE 1549 00:46:58,900 --> 00:46:59,500 SUBWAY. 1550 00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:00,900 I SAW SOMEONE FROM THE 1551 00:47:00,900 --> 00:47:02,500 SCIENTOLOGY CENTER, AND THEY 1552 00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:03,833 WERE FOLLOWING ME." 1553 00:47:03,833 --> 00:47:05,733 >> THEY WOULD FOLLOW US TO OUR 1554 00:47:05,733 --> 00:47:07,600 HOUSES, TRY TO INTIMIDATE US, 1555 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,300 SEND US CEASE-AND-DESIST 1556 00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:10,067 LETTERS. 1557 00:47:10,067 --> 00:47:12,067 THESE OLD TACTICS THAT THEY USED 1558 00:47:12,067 --> 00:47:14,067 TO FIGHT THE ACTIVISM THEY FACED 1559 00:47:14,067 --> 00:47:15,633 BEFORE THE INTERNET WERE 1560 00:47:15,633 --> 00:47:17,533 COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE AGAINST 1561 00:47:17,533 --> 00:47:19,367 CHANOLOGY. 1562 00:47:19,367 --> 00:47:20,667 >> YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE PEOPLE 1563 00:47:20,667 --> 00:47:21,767 WHO RECEIVED THEM ACTUALLY 1564 00:47:21,767 --> 00:47:22,933 FRAMED THEM AND PUT THEM ON 1565 00:47:22,933 --> 00:47:23,500 THEIR WALL. 1566 00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:24,633 I'VE SEEN MULTIPLE OF THEM 1567 00:47:24,633 --> 00:47:25,767 FRAMED AND PUT ON THE WALL. 1568 00:47:25,767 --> 00:47:26,933 MINE'S SITTING IN MY CLOSET 1569 00:47:26,933 --> 00:47:31,100 SOMEWHERE IN A BOX. 1570 00:47:31,100 --> 00:47:33,367 >> I DID THE WHOLE LOW-ORBIT ION 1571 00:47:33,367 --> 00:47:35,567 CANNON STUFF, AND THEN I PRETTY 1572 00:47:35,567 --> 00:47:37,567 MUCH JUST WENT ABOUT MY LIFE 1573 00:47:37,567 --> 00:47:40,900 AFTER THAT FOR PROBABLY, LET'S 1574 00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:42,733 SEE, I THINK IT'S SIX MONTHS. 1575 00:47:42,733 --> 00:47:44,300 AND THEN THE FBI SHOWED UP HERE 1576 00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:45,767 AT MY PARENTS' HOUSE, WHERE I 1577 00:47:45,767 --> 00:47:47,767 WASN'T, LOOKING FOR ME. 1578 00:47:47,767 --> 00:47:49,100 >> TWO MEN GOT OUT OF THE CAR, 1579 00:47:49,100 --> 00:47:53,100 AND TOOK THEIR JACKETS OFF, AND 1580 00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:56,767 LAID THEIR GUNS ON THE FRONT 1581 00:47:56,767 --> 00:48:00,733 SEAT, AND CAME UP TO ASK US IF 1582 00:48:00,733 --> 00:48:04,500 BRIAN WAS HOME, AND EXPLAINED 1583 00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:05,833 THAT THEY WERE THE FBI AND THEY 1584 00:48:05,833 --> 00:48:06,900 WERE LOOKING FOR BRIAN. 1585 00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:09,567 AND I'VE NEVER BEEN SO SCARED. 1586 00:48:09,567 --> 00:48:11,167 >> AND THEN MY PARENTS DIRECTED 1587 00:48:11,167 --> 00:48:12,733 THEM TO WHERE I WAS LIVING, AND 1588 00:48:12,733 --> 00:48:14,267 THEY SHOWED UP AND SAID, "I'D 1589 00:48:14,267 --> 00:48:15,500 LIKE TO HAVE A FRIENDLY 1590 00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:16,733 CONVERSATION WITH YOU." 1591 00:48:16,733 --> 00:48:18,200 AND I HAD THE WORST FRIENDLY 1592 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,467 CONVERSATION OF MY LIFE. 1593 00:48:19,467 --> 00:48:21,267 WE SAT DOWN AT MY DINING-ROOM 1594 00:48:21,267 --> 00:48:23,067 TABLE, AND THEY JUST STARTED 1595 00:48:23,067 --> 00:48:24,333 ASKING ME QUESTIONS. 1596 00:48:24,333 --> 00:48:26,100 AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT 1597 00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:27,967 WHAT THEY'RE HERE FOR 'CAUSE I 1598 00:48:27,967 --> 00:48:28,900 HAVE NO IDEA. 1599 00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:30,600 AND THEY EVENTUALLY STARTED 1600 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,200 ASKING ME QUESTIONS ABOUT 1601 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:33,067 ANONYMOUS. 1602 00:48:33,067 --> 00:48:34,333 >> I WAS SCARED TO DEATH. 1603 00:48:34,333 --> 00:48:38,167 I MEAN, MY SON IS...IS LOOKING 1604 00:48:38,167 --> 00:48:41,400 AT FIVE YEARS IN JAIL AND A 1605 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,300 $100,000 FINE. 1606 00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:44,633 >> YOU KNOW, I HAD NO IDEA THAT 1607 00:48:44,633 --> 00:48:46,333 IT WAS ANY SORT OF -- THIS BIG 1608 00:48:46,333 --> 00:48:47,967 OF A CRIME TO DO WHAT I DID. 1609 00:48:47,967 --> 00:48:50,067 I THOUGHT IT WAS THE KIND OF 1610 00:48:50,067 --> 00:48:52,133 "SLAP ON A WRIST," $200-FINE 1611 00:48:52,133 --> 00:48:53,800 TYPE CRIME. 1612 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,467 SO, I ACTUALLY TOLD THEM THAT I 1613 00:48:56,467 --> 00:48:59,333 DID IT AT THAT POINT. 1614 00:48:59,333 --> 00:49:02,600 THEN IT WENT FROM THERE. 1615 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,433 YEAH. 1616 00:49:04,433 --> 00:49:06,700 >> AS HE EXPLAINED IT TO ME AT 1617 00:49:06,700 --> 00:49:08,900 THE TIME, IT WAS LIKE PUSHING 1618 00:49:08,900 --> 00:49:11,300 THE REFRESH BUTTON OVER AND OVER 1619 00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:14,833 AND OVER AND OVER 800,000 TIMES. 1620 00:49:14,833 --> 00:49:18,300 AND IT SEEMS LIKE SUCH A LITTLE 1621 00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:18,967 THING. 1622 00:49:18,967 --> 00:49:20,700 >> I DID THE SECOND-MOST DAMAGE 1623 00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:22,433 IS WHAT SCIENTOLOGY SAID I DID. 1624 00:49:22,433 --> 00:49:24,067 I SENT THE SECOND-MOST OUT OF 1625 00:49:24,067 --> 00:49:25,767 EVERYBODY SO I GOT THE MAXIMUM 1626 00:49:25,767 --> 00:49:27,467 FOR MY CATEGORY, WHICH WAS ONE 1627 00:49:27,467 --> 00:49:29,067 YEAR IN PRISON AND ONE YEAR 1628 00:49:29,067 --> 00:49:33,667 SUPERVISED RELEASE. 1629 00:49:33,667 --> 00:49:35,333 I THINK -- YOU KNOW, THE WAY I 1630 00:49:35,333 --> 00:49:37,333 FEEL IS, FOR WHAT I DID -- WAS 1631 00:49:37,333 --> 00:49:40,667 ONE OF THE MOST, LIKE, LOPSIDED 1632 00:49:40,667 --> 00:49:42,500 PUNISHMENTS I'VE EVER, LIKE, 1633 00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:45,833 READ ABOUT OR HEARD OF. 1634 00:49:45,833 --> 00:49:47,733 YEAH, I THINK IT'S RIDICULOUS, 1635 00:49:47,733 --> 00:49:49,500 ESPECIALLY THE YEAR SUPERVISED 1636 00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:51,200 RELEASE WHERE I CAN'T TOUCH A 1637 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,467 COMPUTER FOR A YEAR. 1638 00:49:52,467 --> 00:49:53,933 I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT'S 1639 00:49:53,933 --> 00:49:55,700 SUPPOSED TO SOLVE, EXCEPT MAKE 1640 00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:57,200 MY, LIKE, LIFE DIFFICULT. 1641 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:58,867 SO, THAT COMPUTER BEHIND ME, 1642 00:49:58,867 --> 00:50:00,633 BACK THERE, I COULD GO BACK TO 1643 00:50:00,633 --> 00:50:02,167 PRISON IF I WENT OVER AND 1644 00:50:02,167 --> 00:50:03,767 TOUCHED IT, BECAUSE I CAN'T 1645 00:50:03,767 --> 00:50:05,100 KNOWINGLY ASSOCIATE WITH MEMBERS 1646 00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:05,933 OF ANONYMOUS. 1647 00:50:05,933 --> 00:50:07,633 THEY JUST MADE A BIG DEAL ABOUT 1648 00:50:07,633 --> 00:50:09,200 SCIENTOLOGY AS A RELIGION AND 1649 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,933 THAT THIS IS AMERICA AND YOU CAN 1650 00:50:10,933 --> 00:50:12,100 BELIEVE IN WHATEVER YOU WANT TO 1651 00:50:12,100 --> 00:50:12,800 BELIEVE. 1652 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,600 I'M PRETTY SURE THEY ACTUALLY 1653 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,400 COMPARED ME TO, LIKE, THE KKK 1654 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,233 AND THE NAZIS AND STUFF IN THE 1655 00:50:18,233 --> 00:50:19,033 COURTROOM. 1656 00:50:19,033 --> 00:50:20,633 >> YEAH, IT'S -- IT'S A 1657 00:50:20,633 --> 00:50:22,433 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ISSUE. 1658 00:50:22,433 --> 00:50:24,433 I'M VERY PROUD OF WHAT HE DID. 1659 00:50:24,433 --> 00:50:25,933 HE STOOD UP FOR WHAT HE BELIEVED 1660 00:50:25,933 --> 00:50:28,600 IN, BUT THAT WAS NEVER, EVER 1661 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,267 MENTIONED. 1662 00:50:31,267 --> 00:50:34,000 >> I NEVER WOULD EVEN DREAM OF 1663 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,433 HURTING ANYBODY, YOU KNOW. 1664 00:50:36,433 --> 00:50:39,300 IT'S JUST...NOT ME. 1665 00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:45,700 >> PRIOR TO ANONYMOUS, CRITICS 1666 00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:47,867 OF THE CHURCH STILL HAD TO BE 1667 00:50:47,867 --> 00:50:50,000 VERY, VERY CAREFUL BECAUSE OF 1668 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,067 THE AGGRESSIVE LAWSUITS THAT 1669 00:50:52,067 --> 00:50:54,400 WERE LAUNCHED AGAINST ACADEMICS, 1670 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,700 JOURNALISTS, AND OTHER CRITICS. 1671 00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:58,833 I WOULD SAY THAT ERA IS OVER. 1672 00:50:58,833 --> 00:51:00,933 AND ANONYMOUS MORE THAN ANY 1673 00:51:00,933 --> 00:51:03,067 OTHER SORT OF INTERVENTION IS 1674 00:51:03,067 --> 00:51:05,200 PROBABLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT 1675 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:05,967 CHANGE. 1676 00:51:05,967 --> 00:51:07,533 >> THIS ACTUALLY CAUSED A DECENT 1677 00:51:07,533 --> 00:51:08,500 RIFT IN ANONYMOUS. 1678 00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:09,900 >> THERE WAS ONE BIG GROUP -- 1679 00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:11,467 SIGNIFICANT GROUP OF PEOPLE, WHO 1680 00:51:11,467 --> 00:51:12,767 WOULD SAY, "THIS CHANOLOGY 1681 00:51:12,767 --> 00:51:14,233 STUFF, IT'S CANCER, IT'S AWFUL, 1682 00:51:14,233 --> 00:51:15,567 IT'S BAD, IT'S -- IT'S JUST 1683 00:51:15,567 --> 00:51:17,133 BRINGING ATTENTION TO US THAT WE 1684 00:51:17,133 --> 00:51:17,833 DON'T WANT." 1685 00:51:17,833 --> 00:51:19,833 >> THE TROLLING ISN'T HAPPENING. 1686 00:51:19,833 --> 00:51:21,733 WE AREN'T GETTING OUR JOLLIES. 1687 00:51:21,733 --> 00:51:23,500 LIKE, NOW THIS IS ALL REALLY 1688 00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:25,333 SERIOUS AND MORAL AND SOMBER. 1689 00:51:25,333 --> 00:51:27,133 AND, LIKE, "WELL, THAT'S NOT 1690 00:51:27,133 --> 00:51:28,900 WHAT I SIGNED UP FOR -- THAT 1691 00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:29,967 KIND OF THING." 1692 00:51:29,967 --> 00:51:31,800 AND THEN THERE ARE THE PEOPLE 1693 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,767 WHO WERE ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHO 1694 00:51:33,767 --> 00:51:35,767 WERE GOING, "WELL, I ONLY SIGNED 1695 00:51:35,767 --> 00:51:37,633 UP FOR THE SERIOUS AND SOMBER. 1696 00:51:37,633 --> 00:51:38,900 YOU GUYS, GO AWAY. 1697 00:51:38,900 --> 00:51:40,767 THIS IS -- THIS IS," YOU KNOW. 1698 00:51:40,767 --> 00:51:42,767 AND, YOU KNOW, THERE BECAME THIS 1699 00:51:42,767 --> 00:51:44,767 VERY FIERCE CLASH OF IDEOLOGIES, 1700 00:51:44,767 --> 00:51:46,433 AND IT WAS ALIEN TO US. 1701 00:51:46,433 --> 00:51:48,367 >> AND THEY DECIDED -- IN THEIR 1702 00:51:48,367 --> 00:51:50,367 OWN WORDS, WHICH I WAS PRIVY TO, 1703 00:51:50,367 --> 00:51:52,100 'CAUSE IT WAS TOLD TO ME -- 1704 00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:53,900 "STOP RUINING OUR BAD NAME." 1705 00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:56,100 SO, TO MAKE ANONYMOUS LOOK BAD, 1706 00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:57,900 THEY GO OFF AND THEY POST 1707 00:51:57,900 --> 00:51:59,733 ANIMATED GIFs -- ANIMATED 1708 00:51:59,733 --> 00:52:01,867 IMAGES -- TO EPILEPSY FORUMS, 1709 00:52:01,867 --> 00:52:03,333 THAT ARE BLACK AND WHITE, JUST 1710 00:52:03,333 --> 00:52:04,833 STROBING REALLY QUICKLY, SO ANY 1711 00:52:04,833 --> 00:52:06,333 OF THE EPILEPSY PEOPLE ON THESE 1712 00:52:06,333 --> 00:52:07,800 SUPPORT FORUMS SEE IT AND THEY 1713 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,333 FALL OFF THEIR CHAIRS, YOU KNOW, 1714 00:52:09,333 --> 00:52:10,067 IN SEIZURE. 1715 00:52:10,067 --> 00:52:11,367 YOU START HEARING THIS TERM, 1716 00:52:11,367 --> 00:52:12,067 "MORALFAG." 1717 00:52:12,067 --> 00:52:13,467 IF YOU'RE NOT OUT THERE MAKING 1718 00:52:13,467 --> 00:52:14,900 EPILEPTICS HAVE SEIZURES, THEN 1719 00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:16,100 YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG -- 1720 00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:17,267 SO, YOU'RE A MORALFAG. 1721 00:52:17,267 --> 00:52:18,867 >> WHICH IS WHAT I AM -- A 1722 00:52:18,867 --> 00:52:20,500 MORALFAG, THOSE WHO WANT TO 1723 00:52:20,500 --> 00:52:22,267 USE ANONYMOUS AS, YOU KNOW, A 1724 00:52:22,267 --> 00:52:23,900 TOOL FOR GOOD IN SOME SENSE 1725 00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:25,700 RATHER THAN JUST DOING WHAT WE 1726 00:52:25,700 --> 00:52:27,500 USED TO DO, WHICH WAS TO SCREW 1727 00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:28,633 WITH VIDEO GAMES. 1728 00:52:28,633 --> 00:52:30,967 >> ONE ANON SAID IT WELL ONCE. 1729 00:52:30,967 --> 00:52:33,867 "THERE IS NO LEADER. 1730 00:52:33,867 --> 00:52:37,467 THEIR OPS HAVE...MOMENTARY 1731 00:52:37,467 --> 00:52:39,067 LEADERS, DE FACTO LEADERS." 1732 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:40,467 >> ALMOST THROUGH MERITOCRACY. 1733 00:52:40,467 --> 00:52:41,700 THERE'S MORE RESPECTED OR MORE 1734 00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:42,733 PERSISTENT PARTICIPANTS. 1735 00:52:42,733 --> 00:52:43,900 SOME PEOPLE PARTICIPATE IN A 1736 00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:45,167 SINGLE OPERATION AND ARE NEVER 1737 00:52:45,167 --> 00:52:45,867 HEARD FROM AGAIN. 1738 00:52:45,867 --> 00:52:47,100 IT MIGHT EVEN BE A HOUSEWIFE WHO 1739 00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:48,300 JUST, YOU KNOW, AGREES WITH THAT 1740 00:52:48,300 --> 00:52:49,333 POLITICAL STATEMENT OR THAT 1741 00:52:49,333 --> 00:52:50,200 PROTEST. 1742 00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:27,900 >> IF YOU HAD ASKED ME ALL 1743 00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:29,967 THROUGHOUT 2008 AND MOST OF 1744 00:53:29,967 --> 00:53:31,933 2009, "IS THE POLITICS OF 1745 00:53:31,933 --> 00:53:33,867 ANONYMOUS ALWAYS GONNA BE 1746 00:53:33,867 --> 00:53:36,267 SUTURED AND HINGED TO THE CHURCH 1747 00:53:36,267 --> 00:53:38,467 OF SCIENTOLOGY?" I WOULD HAVE 1748 00:53:38,467 --> 00:53:39,367 SAID YES. 1749 00:53:39,367 --> 00:53:41,767 AND IT BECAME UNSUTURED, 1750 00:53:41,767 --> 00:53:44,300 UNHINGED, WHEN A DIFFERENT 1751 00:53:44,300 --> 00:53:46,667 POLITICAL WING WAS BORN IN 2010. 1752 00:53:50,300 --> 00:53:55,300 >> IT'S OUR TASK TO FIND SECRET 1753 00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:58,500 ABUSIVE PLANS AND EXPOSE THEM 1754 00:53:58,500 --> 00:54:02,067 WHERE THEY CAN BE OPPOSED BEFORE 1755 00:54:02,067 --> 00:54:03,367 THEY'RE IMPLEMENTED. 1756 00:54:03,367 --> 00:54:05,167 >> THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT 1757 00:54:05,167 --> 00:54:07,067 SOMEONE LIKE ASSANGE IS THAT HE 1758 00:54:07,067 --> 00:54:08,800 ACTUALLY ALSO SPRANG FROM, YOU 1759 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,267 KNOW, A HACKER CULTURE. 1760 00:54:10,267 --> 00:54:12,067 IT'S A MENTALITY OF SPREADING 1761 00:54:12,067 --> 00:54:12,700 INFORMATION. 1762 00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:13,733 >> JULIAN WAS MENDAX. 1763 00:54:13,733 --> 00:54:15,200 HE WAS THE GREATEST HACKER THAT 1764 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:16,500 EVER WALKED THE FACE OF THE 1765 00:54:16,500 --> 00:54:17,633 EARTH WHEN I WAS A KID. 1766 00:54:17,633 --> 00:54:19,067 I MEAN, THEY RUMORED HE COULD 1767 00:54:19,067 --> 00:54:20,500 MOVE SATELLITES AROUND IN SPACE 1768 00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:21,567 BY HACKING INTO NASA. 1769 00:54:21,567 --> 00:54:23,067 I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT NEVER 1770 00:54:23,067 --> 00:54:24,533 HAPPENED BUT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, 1771 00:54:24,533 --> 00:54:25,900 IT WAS A MYTH THAT KEPT YOUNG 1772 00:54:25,900 --> 00:54:27,333 KIDS LIKE ME WANTING TO, LIKE, 1773 00:54:27,333 --> 00:54:28,833 YOU KNOW, PLUG A COMPUTER INTO A 1774 00:54:28,833 --> 00:54:30,333 MODEM AND SEE IF I CAN MOVE SOME 1775 00:54:30,333 --> 00:54:31,267 SATELLITES AROUND. 1776 00:54:31,267 --> 00:54:33,067 >> WikiLeaks IS AN EXTENSION OF 1777 00:54:33,067 --> 00:54:34,867 THE HACKERS ETHOS -- TRUTH WANTS 1778 00:54:34,867 --> 00:54:36,400 TO BE FREE, AND WE WANT TO 1779 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,400 LIBERATE IT. 1780 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,333 >> WikiLeaks RELEASED A HUGE 1781 00:54:40,333 --> 00:54:42,200 TROVE OF DIPLOMATIC CABLES. 1782 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,267 THERE WAS A LOT OF CONTROVERSY 1783 00:54:44,267 --> 00:54:46,600 FROM EVERY QUARTER OF SOCIETY. 1784 00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,100 >> THE WikiLeaks WEBSITE 1785 00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:49,900 RELEASED NEARLY 400,000 SECRET 1786 00:54:49,900 --> 00:54:51,767 U.S. FILES ON THE IRAQ WAR LATE 1787 00:54:51,767 --> 00:54:52,333 TODAY. 1788 00:54:52,333 --> 00:54:53,933 IT WAS THE LARGEST LEAK OF 1789 00:54:53,933 --> 00:54:55,433 CLASSIFIED U.S. FILES IN 1790 00:54:55,433 --> 00:54:56,100 HISTORY. 1791 00:54:56,100 --> 00:54:58,067 >> THE DIPLOMATIC CABLES SHOW 1792 00:54:58,067 --> 00:54:59,800 THE U.S. IS SPYING ON ITS 1793 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:00,567 ALLIES. 1794 00:55:00,567 --> 00:55:01,800 >> LOTS OF THINGS WHICH WERE 1795 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,067 UNDERSTOOD IN PRIVATE AND MAY 1796 00:55:03,067 --> 00:55:04,400 HAVE BEEN NOT EVEN TALKED ABOUT 1797 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:05,700 EXPLICITLY -- SUDDENLY THEY'RE 1798 00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:07,067 OUT THERE IN THE COLD LIGHT OF 1799 00:55:07,067 --> 00:55:08,267 DAY, AND IT'S GONNA MAKE SOME 1800 00:55:08,267 --> 00:55:09,633 GOVERNMENTS AND SOME INDIVIDUALS 1801 00:55:09,633 --> 00:55:11,067 VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. 1802 00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:46,967 >> THERE WAS ONE PARTICULAR 1803 00:55:46,967 --> 00:55:49,833 MOMENT THAT REALLY SPARKED THE 1804 00:55:49,833 --> 00:55:52,800 FIRE, AND THIS WAS WHEN PayPal, 1805 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,600 MasterCard, AND AMAZON PULLED 1806 00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,267 SERVICES FOR WikiLeaks. 1807 00:55:57,267 --> 00:55:58,900 >> SO, ALL OF A SUDDEN, THERE'S 1808 00:55:58,900 --> 00:56:00,300 NO WAY TO ACTUALLY, LIKE, 1809 00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:01,933 PROCESS DONATIONS TO WikiLeaks. 1810 00:56:01,933 --> 00:56:03,533 AND THEN PEOPLE WENT AND FOUND, 1811 00:56:03,533 --> 00:56:04,767 LIKE, NEO-NAZI GROUPS. 1812 00:56:04,767 --> 00:56:06,067 VISA AND MasterCard WERE 1813 00:56:06,067 --> 00:56:07,600 PERFECTLY FINE WITH YOU BEING 1814 00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,267 ABLE TO, LIKE, YOU KNOW, PayPal, 1815 00:56:09,267 --> 00:56:10,600 BEING ABLE TO, LIKE, MAKE 1816 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,600 DONATIONS TO THEM. 1817 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,633 BUT WikiLeaks -- NO. 1818 00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:42,533 >> ANONYMOUS VERY QUICKLY MOVED 1819 00:56:42,533 --> 00:56:43,867 INTO AN ATTACK MODE. 1820 00:56:47,633 --> 00:56:50,067 >> CYBER PROTESTS, SIT-INS -- 1821 00:56:50,067 --> 00:56:52,200 HOWEVER YOU WANT TO LOOK AT 1822 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,700 IT -- DDoS IS A TOOL THAT IS A 1823 00:56:55,700 --> 00:56:57,867 BIG GIANT -- IT'S LIKE DRIVING A 1824 00:56:57,867 --> 00:56:59,200 FINISH NAIL IN WITH A 1825 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,433 SLEDGEHAMMER. 1826 00:57:01,433 --> 00:57:03,767 >> THE NUMBERS OF PARTICIPANTS 1827 00:57:03,767 --> 00:57:07,933 WERE MASSIVE -- MASSIVE. 1828 00:57:07,933 --> 00:57:10,600 AND THEY MANAGE OVER THE COURSE 1829 00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,233 OF A COUPLE OF DAYS TO DISABLE 1830 00:57:13,233 --> 00:57:15,833 THE WEBSITES OF MasterCard AND 1831 00:57:15,833 --> 00:57:18,067 PayPal. 1832 00:57:18,233 --> 00:57:20,333 >> IT WAS LIKE WATCHING THE HACK 1833 00:57:20,333 --> 00:57:22,233 MAGICIAN FINALLY GET A TRICK 1834 00:57:22,233 --> 00:57:23,933 RIGHT, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT 1835 00:57:23,933 --> 00:57:25,700 EXPECTING IT AND THEN IT'S 1836 00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:26,667 MAGNIFICENT. 1837 00:57:26,667 --> 00:57:29,067 IT WAS BEAUTIFUL. 1838 00:57:29,233 --> 00:57:30,900 [ CHUCKLES ] 1839 00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:32,133 'CAUSE WHAT YOU HAD IS PEOPLE 1840 00:57:32,133 --> 00:57:33,200 FINDING YOU STOOD UP FOR 1841 00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,433 SOMETHING. 1842 00:57:34,433 --> 00:57:37,267 HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE WE 1843 00:57:37,267 --> 00:57:39,900 HAD A HUGE, REALLY RELEVANT 1844 00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:40,633 PROTEST. 1845 00:57:40,633 --> 00:57:42,500 I'M NOT TALKING TEA PARTY, "I 1846 00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:44,100 WANT TO BRING MY GUNS IN 1847 00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:44,833 PUBLIC." 1848 00:57:44,833 --> 00:57:50,167 I'M TALKING...I'M TALKING 10,000 1849 00:57:50,167 --> 00:57:52,067 ANGRY PEOPLE SAID, "THIS IS NOT 1850 00:57:52,067 --> 00:57:53,433 RIGHT, AND I WANT TO DO 1851 00:57:53,433 --> 00:57:54,800 SOMETHING ABOUT IT." 1852 00:57:59,167 --> 00:58:01,567 >> SOON AFTER, WikiLeaks WAS 1853 00:58:01,567 --> 00:58:05,067 BLOCKED IN TUNISIA. 1854 00:58:05,067 --> 00:58:08,067 AND ANONYMOUS GOT WIND OF THAT. 1855 00:58:08,067 --> 00:58:10,567 THEY THEN INTERVENED -- AT 1856 00:58:10,567 --> 00:58:12,067 FIRST, SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSES 1857 00:58:12,067 --> 00:58:13,467 OF, LIKE, STOPPING THE KIND OF 1858 00:58:13,467 --> 00:58:14,900 CENSORSHIP THAT WAS HAPPENING. 1859 00:58:14,900 --> 00:58:16,433 AND THEY DID SOME DDoSing. 1860 00:58:16,633 --> 00:58:18,133 AND THIS WAS A TIME PERIOD WHERE 1861 00:58:18,133 --> 00:58:20,067 THEY WERE GETTING INVOLVED WITH 1862 00:58:20,067 --> 00:58:21,267 WHAT I WOULD CALL 1863 00:58:21,267 --> 00:58:22,733 "NON-INTERNETY" SOCIAL 1864 00:58:22,733 --> 00:58:24,667 MOVEMENTS AND BUILDING LINES OF 1865 00:58:24,667 --> 00:58:26,067 SOLIDARITY. 1866 00:58:26,067 --> 00:58:27,333 >> MY NAME'S PETE FEIN. 1867 00:58:27,333 --> 00:58:29,333 YOU CAN CALL ME AN INTERNAUT OR 1868 00:58:29,333 --> 00:58:30,500 A HACKTIVIST. 1869 00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:32,833 TELECOMIX IS AN AD HOC CLUSTER 1870 00:58:32,833 --> 00:58:35,167 OF VOLUNTEER NET ACTIVISTS WHO 1871 00:58:35,167 --> 00:58:36,767 HAVE HAVE SPENT MUCH OF LAST 1872 00:58:36,767 --> 00:58:38,533 YEAR TRYING TO KEEP THE INTERNET 1873 00:58:38,533 --> 00:58:40,233 RUNNING IN THE MIDDLE EAST. 1874 00:58:40,433 --> 00:58:42,067 DURING THAT TIME, WE SAW THE 1875 00:58:42,067 --> 00:58:43,600 TUNISIAN GOVERNMENT NOT ONLY 1876 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:45,167 CENSORING AND FILTERING THE 1877 00:58:45,167 --> 00:58:46,733 INTERNET BUT ALSO DOING SOME 1878 00:58:46,733 --> 00:58:48,367 KIND OF TECHNICAL TRICKERY TO 1879 00:58:48,367 --> 00:58:49,733 STEAL PEOPLE'S FACEBOOK 1880 00:58:49,733 --> 00:58:51,233 PASSWORDS AND DELETE THEIR 1881 00:58:51,233 --> 00:58:52,867 POSTS AND SEE WHO WAS POSTING 1882 00:58:52,867 --> 00:58:54,267 WHAT AND, YOU KNOW, FAKE 1883 00:58:54,267 --> 00:58:55,700 POSTS -- STUFF LIKE THAT. 1884 00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:57,600 >> SOME TUNISIAN HACKERS CAME TO 1885 00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:58,067 US. 1886 00:58:58,067 --> 00:58:59,867 THEY WERE MEMBERS OF ANONYMOUS, 1887 00:58:59,867 --> 00:59:01,700 AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE HAD 1888 00:59:01,700 --> 00:59:03,600 MEMBERS OF ANONYMOUS IN TUNISIA, 1889 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,100 SO IT WAS A SHOCK TO ME. 1890 00:59:05,100 --> 00:59:06,867 AND THEY HAD SOME -- THEY HAD 1891 00:59:06,867 --> 00:59:08,633 THE KEYS TO SOME PARTS OF THE 1892 00:59:08,633 --> 00:59:10,367 KINGDOM, SO TO SPEAK, WHEN IT 1893 00:59:10,367 --> 00:59:12,300 CAME TO THE DICTATOR IN TUNISIA. 1894 00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:14,067 WE WENT IN ON BEHALF OF THOSE 1895 00:59:14,067 --> 00:59:15,800 TUNISIAN ANONS, AND WE HELPED 1896 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,567 THEM GET THAT AND EXTRACT IT, 1897 00:59:17,567 --> 00:59:19,367 AND THEN IT WENT TO WikiLeaks. 1898 00:59:19,367 --> 00:59:20,467 >> THE TUNISIANS OVERTHREW 1899 00:59:20,467 --> 00:59:21,567 BEN ALI, WHO WAS KIND OF A 1900 00:59:21,567 --> 00:59:22,900 REPRESSIVE DICTATOR. 1901 00:59:22,900 --> 00:59:24,467 >> A REVOLUTION THAT WAS 1902 00:59:24,467 --> 00:59:26,067 FACILITATED BY -- BY THE 1903 00:59:26,067 --> 00:59:29,133 INTERNET, BY FACEBOOK, AND BY 1904 00:59:29,133 --> 00:59:30,333 TWITTER. 1905 00:59:30,333 --> 00:59:31,400 NOT CAUSED BY IT. 1906 00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,200 I MEAN, 50 YEARS OF DICTATORSHIP 1907 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:34,967 HAS CAUSED THE ARAB SPRING, BUT 1908 00:59:34,967 --> 00:59:36,733 THE INTERNET HAS CERTAINLY BEEN 1909 00:59:36,733 --> 00:59:38,267 HELPING. 1910 01:00:02,233 --> 01:00:04,233 >> THE SAME GROUP OF HACKERS 1911 01:00:04,233 --> 01:00:06,467 THAT TARGET ANTI-WikiLeaks SITES 1912 01:00:06,467 --> 01:00:08,667 HAVE NOW TURNED THEIR ATTENTION 1913 01:00:08,667 --> 01:00:11,867 TO EGYPT. 1914 01:00:12,067 --> 01:00:13,667 >> IN KIND OF THE LEAD-UP TO THE 1915 01:00:13,667 --> 01:00:15,100 EGYPTIAN REVOLUTION, WE WOULD 1916 01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:16,400 TWEET ON PEOPLE'S BEHALF. 1917 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:17,900 WE'D GET PEOPLE FROM EGYPT WHO 1918 01:00:17,900 --> 01:00:19,500 WERE UNABLE TO ACCESS TWITTER ON 1919 01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:21,033 THEIR OWN, ON OUR R.C. NETWORK, 1920 01:00:21,033 --> 01:00:22,533 AND WE WOULD TAKE REPORTS FROM 1921 01:00:22,533 --> 01:00:24,133 THEM AND TWEET THEM OUT USING -- 1922 01:00:24,133 --> 01:00:25,533 USING OUR ACCOUNT TO KIND OF 1923 01:00:25,533 --> 01:00:28,200 HELP THEM GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT 1924 01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,067 WHAT THEY WERE EXPERIENCING. 1925 01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:35,467 >> SOME OF THIS SHIT IS 1926 01:00:35,467 --> 01:00:37,767 PERSONAL, AND ONE OF THE THINGS 1927 01:00:37,767 --> 01:00:39,933 ABOUT THE MOVEMENT AS A WHOLE 1928 01:00:39,933 --> 01:00:42,300 WHEN EGYPT ROLLED AROUND IS THAT 1929 01:00:42,300 --> 01:00:44,333 EGYPT BROKE US EMOTIONALLY. 1930 01:00:44,333 --> 01:00:46,600 WATCHING IN REAL-TIME WITH LIVE 1931 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,700 FEEDS THAT WE HELPED SET UP, 1932 01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:51,067 EGYPTIANS GETTING MASSACRED WITH 1933 01:00:51,067 --> 01:00:52,933 MACHINE GUNS. 1934 01:00:53,133 --> 01:00:54,900 IT WAS DIFFERENT, AND I HAVE 1935 01:00:54,900 --> 01:00:56,633 NEVER IN CYBER-ACTIVISM WEPT 1936 01:00:56,633 --> 01:00:57,267 BEFORE. 1937 01:00:57,267 --> 01:00:58,967 IT'S NEVER BOTHERED ME LIKE 1938 01:00:58,967 --> 01:00:59,500 THAT. 1939 01:00:59,500 --> 01:01:01,367 IT'S NEVER BEEN ABLE TO TOUCH 1940 01:01:01,367 --> 01:01:04,533 ME THE WAY EGYPT TOUCHED ME. 1941 01:01:04,533 --> 01:01:06,300 >> IT WAS FUCKED UP THAT WE WERE 1942 01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:07,933 WATCHING PEOPLE KILLED FOR NO 1943 01:01:07,933 --> 01:01:09,633 REASON OTHER THAN LEAVING THEIR 1944 01:01:09,633 --> 01:01:11,233 HOMES, THAT THESE PEOPLE HAD 1945 01:01:11,233 --> 01:01:12,800 EVERY RIGHT TO FREEDOM, THAT 1946 01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,467 THEY HAD EVERY RIGHT TO CHOOSE 1947 01:01:14,467 --> 01:01:16,800 THEIR GOVERNMENT. 1948 01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,867 >> AND THEN JANUARY 27th, 1949 01:01:18,867 --> 01:01:21,233 JANUARY 28th ROLLS AROUND AND 1950 01:01:21,233 --> 01:01:23,667 THE EGYPTIAN GOVERNMENT STARTS 1951 01:01:23,667 --> 01:01:25,867 SHUTTING DOWN THE INTERNET. 1952 01:01:25,867 --> 01:01:27,067 I MEAN, JUST -- FOR THE WHOLE 1953 01:01:27,067 --> 01:01:28,300 COUNTRY, FOR THE WHOLE COUNTRY. 1954 01:01:28,300 --> 01:01:29,533 THERE'S THIS FANTASTIC TRAFFIC 1955 01:01:29,533 --> 01:01:30,600 GRAPH THAT YOU CAN SEE THE 1956 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:31,900 TRAFFIC COMING OUT EGYPT, AND IT 1957 01:01:31,900 --> 01:01:33,233 LOOKS LIKE -- YOU KNOW, LIKE 1958 01:01:33,233 --> 01:01:34,233 THIS. 1959 01:01:34,233 --> 01:01:36,233 JUST TOTALLY STOPS. 1960 01:01:36,233 --> 01:01:37,167 AND WE WERE JUST SHOCKED. 1961 01:01:37,167 --> 01:01:38,200 WE WERE JUST LIKE, "WHAT THE 1962 01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:39,533 FUCK -- LIKE, WHAT THE FUCK?" 1963 01:01:39,533 --> 01:01:40,867 TO THINK THAT A COUNTRY WOULD 1964 01:01:40,867 --> 01:01:42,867 COMPLETELY CUT ITSELF OFF AS 1965 01:01:42,867 --> 01:01:45,067 MUCH AS IT WAS ABLE TO FROM THE 1966 01:01:45,067 --> 01:01:46,733 OUTSIDE WORLD WAS PRETTY 1967 01:01:46,733 --> 01:01:47,733 UNTHINKABLE. 1968 01:01:47,733 --> 01:01:50,067 YOU KNOW, WE KNOW -- WE KNOW BAD 1969 01:01:50,067 --> 01:01:51,933 THINGS GO ON IN THE DARK PLACES. 1970 01:02:19,700 --> 01:02:22,067 >> I PUT MYSELF IN THEIR PLACE, 1971 01:02:22,067 --> 01:02:24,300 AND I FOUND MYSELF IN A DESERT 1972 01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:26,600 OF NOTHINGNESS BECAUSE HE JUST 1973 01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,733 WIPED OUT EVERYTHING THAT MY 1974 01:02:28,733 --> 01:02:30,300 WORLD INCORPORATED. 1975 01:02:30,300 --> 01:02:32,100 THAT JUST SHOWED ME AND 1976 01:02:32,100 --> 01:02:34,333 EVERYBODY ELSE THAT THIS SAME 1977 01:02:34,333 --> 01:02:36,467 THING CAN HAPPEN AT ANYTIME, 1978 01:02:36,467 --> 01:02:38,167 ANYWHERE, IN ANY GOVERNMENT. 1979 01:02:38,367 --> 01:02:41,333 >> ANONYMOUS AND THE PEOPLE ON 1980 01:02:41,333 --> 01:02:44,367 THE INTERNET STOOD UP AND SAID, 1981 01:02:44,367 --> 01:02:46,867 "GO FUCK YOURSELF." 1982 01:02:46,867 --> 01:02:48,367 YOU WANT TO SHUT DOWN THEIR 1983 01:02:48,367 --> 01:02:50,700 INTERNET -- FINE. 1984 01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:52,167 THE PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET WILL 1985 01:02:52,167 --> 01:02:53,567 SHOW THEM HOW TO TURN IT BACK 1986 01:02:53,567 --> 01:02:55,267 ON. 1987 01:03:15,067 --> 01:03:16,567 >> IN EGYPT, THE CARE PACKAGE WE 1988 01:03:16,567 --> 01:03:18,067 PUT TOGETHER INCLUDED SOME KIND 1989 01:03:18,067 --> 01:03:19,400 OF RCom INFORMATION, THE HAM 1990 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,233 RADIO AND DIAL MODEM DETAILS. 1991 01:03:23,233 --> 01:03:24,400 IN TOTAL, WE HELPED COORDINATE 1992 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,733 AND RUN ABOUT 500 DIAL-UP MODEM 1993 01:03:26,733 --> 01:03:29,567 LINES. 1994 01:03:29,567 --> 01:03:31,700 WE ALSO GOOGLED TREATMENTS FOR 1995 01:03:31,700 --> 01:03:33,933 TEAR GAS AND OTHER KIND OF BASIC 1996 01:03:33,933 --> 01:03:35,900 MEDICAL TREATMENT AND FOUND 1997 01:03:35,900 --> 01:03:38,067 FOLKS WHO COULD TRANSLATE THAT 1998 01:03:38,067 --> 01:03:40,200 INTO ARABIC -- SORT OF PUT THIS 1999 01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,400 TOGETHER IN A NICE ONE-PAGE PDF 2000 01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:43,833 AND FAX, AND OFF IT GOES. 2001 01:03:43,833 --> 01:03:45,467 >> I THINK THE MOST EFFECTIVE 2002 01:03:45,467 --> 01:03:46,800 THING WAS SHUTTING DOWN 2003 01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,967 GOVERNMENT WEBSITES. 2004 01:03:48,967 --> 01:03:51,133 WE'RE TAKING YOUR DICTATOR'S 2005 01:03:51,133 --> 01:03:54,133 WEB PAGES DOWN. 2006 01:03:54,133 --> 01:03:56,167 >> [ SPEAKING NATIVE LANGUAGE ] 2007 01:03:56,367 --> 01:03:58,200 >> PRESIDENT HOSNI MUBARAK HAS 2008 01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,067 DECIDED TO STEP DOWN FROM THE 2009 01:04:00,067 --> 01:04:01,633 OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE 2010 01:04:01,633 --> 01:04:02,633 REPUBLIC. 2011 01:04:02,633 --> 01:04:04,333 [ CHEERING ] 2012 01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,300 >> WE HAD EGYPTIANS COME THANK 2013 01:04:35,300 --> 01:04:36,967 US AS WE'RE DOING THIS STUFF, 2014 01:04:36,967 --> 01:04:38,667 AND I SAID -- I'M LIKE, "LOOK, 2015 01:04:38,667 --> 01:04:40,333 YOU GUYS JUST GET OUR BACK IF 2016 01:04:40,333 --> 01:04:41,700 STUFF GOES DOWN HERE." 2017 01:05:04,233 --> 01:05:06,133 >> THE FBI IS NOW INVESTIGATING 2018 01:05:06,133 --> 01:05:08,067 ANONYMOUS -- A LOOSE COLLECTION 2019 01:05:08,067 --> 01:05:09,767 OF ROGUE, TECH-SAVVY HACKERS 2020 01:05:09,767 --> 01:05:11,667 CREDITED WITH BRINGING DOWN THE 2021 01:05:11,667 --> 01:05:13,567 WEBSITES OF MasterCard AND VISA 2022 01:05:13,567 --> 01:05:14,567 LAST DECEMBER. 2023 01:05:14,567 --> 01:05:15,733 >> SO, OVER 40 RAIDS BACK THEN, 2024 01:05:15,733 --> 01:05:16,567 THEY SEIZE COMPUTERS, 2025 01:05:16,567 --> 01:05:17,700 CELLPHONES, AND THOSE KINDS OF 2026 01:05:17,700 --> 01:05:18,833 TECHNICAL APPARATUS, SOMETIMES 2027 01:05:18,833 --> 01:05:19,900 INCLUDING, IN THE CASE OF THE 2028 01:05:19,900 --> 01:05:21,100 19-YEAR-OLD GIRL LIVING WITH HER 2029 01:05:21,100 --> 01:05:22,233 FAMILY, THEY TOOK HER PARENTS' 2030 01:05:22,233 --> 01:05:24,567 STUFF, TOO. 2031 01:05:24,567 --> 01:05:26,067 THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A SORT OF 2032 01:05:26,067 --> 01:05:27,633 CAT-AND-MOUSE DYNAMIC, NOT JUST 2033 01:05:27,633 --> 01:05:29,233 IN RELATION TO THE FEDS BUT ALSO 2034 01:05:29,233 --> 01:05:30,700 TO THESE SORT OF GROUPS THAT 2035 01:05:30,700 --> 01:05:32,133 HAVE APPOINTED THEMSELVES AS 2036 01:05:32,133 --> 01:05:33,667 GUARDIANS OF THE REPUBLIC. 2037 01:05:41,167 --> 01:05:44,167 >> SUDDENLY ON FEBRUARY 5th, 2038 01:05:44,167 --> 01:05:45,833 A FINANCIAL TIMES ARTICLE COMES 2039 01:05:45,833 --> 01:05:49,067 OUT THAT WE ALL SEE. 2040 01:05:49,067 --> 01:05:50,567 IT'S QUOTING THIS GUY NAMED 2041 01:05:50,567 --> 01:05:52,333 AARON BARR, WHO'S THE C.E.O. OF 2042 01:05:52,333 --> 01:05:53,900 HBGary FEDERAL, WHICH IS AN 2043 01:05:53,900 --> 01:05:55,500 INTELLIGENCE CONTRACTOR, AND 2044 01:05:55,500 --> 01:05:57,067 AARON BARR IS TELLING THIS 2045 01:05:57,067 --> 01:05:58,600 FINANCIAL TIMES JOURNALIST 2046 01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,167 JOSEPH MENN THAT HE'S BEEN 2047 01:06:00,167 --> 01:06:01,933 SECRETLY MONITORING THE AnonOps 2048 01:06:01,933 --> 01:06:03,700 SERVER, WHERE ALL THIS IS GOING 2049 01:06:03,700 --> 01:06:05,467 ON, AND HAS DONE SO FOR SEVERAL 2050 01:06:05,467 --> 01:06:08,633 WEEKS, AND USING HIS OWN CUSTOM 2051 01:06:08,633 --> 01:06:10,300 BRAND OF INFORMATION-OPERATIONS 2052 01:06:10,300 --> 01:06:12,267 TECHNIQUES HAS MANAGED TO 2053 01:06:12,267 --> 01:06:14,667 IDENTIFY THE ALLEGED LEADERSHIP 2054 01:06:14,667 --> 01:06:16,700 OF ANONYMOUS, INCLUDING 25 2055 01:06:16,700 --> 01:06:19,200 "LIEUTENANTS" OF SOME SORT. 2056 01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:20,567 >> WE HAVE TO SEE THIS DOCUMENT. 2057 01:06:20,567 --> 01:06:21,600 EVERYONE WANTS TO KNOW. 2058 01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:22,867 WE DON'T NEED TO DESTROY HIM. 2059 01:06:22,867 --> 01:06:24,100 WE DON'T NEED TO DESTROY HIS 2060 01:06:24,100 --> 01:06:24,600 COMPANY. 2061 01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:25,633 WE JUST NEED TO SEE THE 2062 01:06:25,633 --> 01:06:27,067 DOCUMENT, AND WE'LL DECIDED WHAT 2063 01:06:27,067 --> 01:06:28,333 COMES NEXT AFTER LOOKING AT THE 2064 01:06:28,333 --> 01:06:28,867 DOCUMENT. 2065 01:06:28,867 --> 01:06:29,633 SO, THEY GET IT. 2066 01:06:29,633 --> 01:06:30,967 IT WAS UNBELIEVABLY EASY TO GET 2067 01:06:30,967 --> 01:06:31,833 INTO THAT NETWORK. 2068 01:06:31,833 --> 01:06:33,267 >> AND MY NAME WAS ON THERE -- 2069 01:06:33,267 --> 01:06:34,167 AS A SCREEN NAME. 2070 01:06:34,167 --> 01:06:35,700 AND GREGG HOUSH WAS LISTED THERE 2071 01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:36,667 BY HIS SCREEN NAME. 2072 01:06:36,667 --> 01:06:38,100 THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WHAT 2073 01:06:38,100 --> 01:06:39,533 HE TOLD FINANCIAL TIMES WAS -- 2074 01:06:39,533 --> 01:06:40,867 EVERYTHING HE TOLD THEM WAS 2075 01:06:40,867 --> 01:06:42,333 DEMONSTRATIVELY UNTRUE AND VERY 2076 01:06:42,333 --> 01:06:43,367 MUCH HILARIOUSLY SO. 2077 01:06:43,367 --> 01:06:44,667 >> HE HAD TO BE SHUT UP. 2078 01:06:44,667 --> 01:06:46,300 IT HAD TO BE PROVEN TO THE WORLD 2079 01:06:46,300 --> 01:06:47,833 THAT THIS GUY WAS A RETARD AND 2080 01:06:47,833 --> 01:06:49,400 THAT HIS INFORMATION WAS IN NO 2081 01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:50,067 WAY VALID. 2082 01:06:50,067 --> 01:06:51,900 >> AND TO PUT THAT IN HACKER 2083 01:06:51,900 --> 01:06:53,867 TERMS, ANONYMOUS IS A HORNET'S 2084 01:06:53,867 --> 01:06:55,833 NEST AND BARR SAID, "I'M GONNA 2085 01:06:55,833 --> 01:06:57,800 STICK MY PENIS IN THAT THING." 2086 01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,400 [ LAUGHTER ] 2087 01:06:59,467 --> 01:07:02,167 >> IN A MERE 24 HOURS, HE WAS 2088 01:07:02,167 --> 01:07:04,733 OWNED, PWNED COMPLETELY BY A 2089 01:07:04,733 --> 01:07:07,533 SMALL GROUP OF PARTICIPANTS WHO 2090 01:07:07,533 --> 01:07:09,967 BASICALLY WENT ON A HACKING 2091 01:07:10,067 --> 01:07:11,067 RAMPAGE. 2092 01:07:11,067 --> 01:07:13,100 >> FASTER THAN YOU CAN SAY, "GET 2093 01:07:13,100 --> 01:07:14,967 THESE HORNETS OFF MY PENIS," 2094 01:07:14,967 --> 01:07:16,700 ANONYMOUS TOOK DOWN BARR'S 2095 01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:18,433 WEBSITE, STOLE HIS E-MAIL, 2096 01:07:18,433 --> 01:07:20,300 DELETED THE COMPANY'S BACKUP 2097 01:07:20,300 --> 01:07:22,067 DATA, TRASHED HIS TWITTER 2098 01:07:22,067 --> 01:07:24,067 ACCOUNT, AND REMOTELY WIPED HIS 2099 01:07:24,067 --> 01:07:24,567 iPad. 2100 01:07:24,567 --> 01:07:26,133 [ LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE ] 2101 01:07:26,133 --> 01:07:27,800 AND HE HAD JUST REACHED THE 2102 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,267 "HAM 'EM HIGH" LEVEL ON 2103 01:07:29,267 --> 01:07:30,267 "ANGRY BIRDS." 2104 01:07:30,267 --> 01:07:31,167 [ LAUGHTER ] 2105 01:07:31,167 --> 01:07:32,833 >> THE HBGary HACK BROUGHT ABOUT 2106 01:07:32,833 --> 01:07:35,167 70,000 E-MAILS. 2107 01:07:35,167 --> 01:07:37,633 >> PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT 2108 01:07:37,633 --> 01:07:40,100 ONES HAD TO DO WITH A PROPOSAL 2109 01:07:40,100 --> 01:07:42,067 THAT HBGary HAD ALREADY 2110 01:07:42,067 --> 01:07:43,167 FORMULATED. 2111 01:07:43,167 --> 01:07:45,500 IT WAS PACKAGED UP AS A NICE 2112 01:07:45,500 --> 01:07:47,533 PowerPoint PRESENTATION. 2113 01:07:47,533 --> 01:07:50,067 KIND OF ACT AS PRIVATIZED AGENT 2114 01:07:50,067 --> 01:07:52,400 PROVOCATEURS WHERE THEY WERE 2115 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,567 GONNA DISCREDIT WikiLeaks. 2116 01:07:54,567 --> 01:07:55,900 >> HBGary WAS PROPOSING 2117 01:07:55,900 --> 01:07:57,433 SUBMITTING FAKE DOCUMENTS TO 2118 01:07:57,433 --> 01:07:58,800 WikiLeaks AND THEN, WHEN 2119 01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,500 DISCOVERED AS FAKE, THE ERROR 2120 01:08:00,500 --> 01:08:02,233 COULD BE CALLED OUT AND IT WOULD 2121 01:08:02,233 --> 01:08:03,767 DISCREDIT WikiLeaks. 2122 01:08:03,967 --> 01:08:05,800 >> SO, THERE'S A LOT OF, LIKE, 2123 01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:07,300 SPECIFICS I CAN'T TALK ABOUT, SO 2124 01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:08,800 LET ME TRY TO ANSWER THAT, 2125 01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,467 THOUGH, IN A GENERAL SENSE. 2126 01:08:12,467 --> 01:08:13,800 WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I'M -- IT'S 2127 01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:15,300 PROBABLY NO SURPRISE TO ANYBODY 2128 01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:17,067 I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF WikiLeaks. 2129 01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:21,200 I THINK THAT THE BROAD PURPOSE 2130 01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:22,867 OF TRYING TO GET AS MUCH 2131 01:08:22,867 --> 01:08:24,300 INFORMATION -- PROPRIETARY OR 2132 01:08:24,300 --> 01:08:25,767 CLASSIFIED INFORMATION FOR THE 2133 01:08:25,767 --> 01:08:27,300 GOVERNMENT -- EXPOSE THAT, IS AN 2134 01:08:27,300 --> 01:08:28,567 EXTREMELY DESTRUCTIVE AND 2135 01:08:28,567 --> 01:08:30,733 DANGEROUS PURPOSE. 2136 01:08:30,733 --> 01:08:32,167 >> THE PROPOSALS INVOLVED 2137 01:08:32,167 --> 01:08:33,833 CONDUCTING INFORMATION WAR ON 2138 01:08:33,833 --> 01:08:35,467 WikiLeaks AND ITS SUPPORTERS, 2139 01:08:35,467 --> 01:08:36,467 CREATING DISSENSION WITHIN 2140 01:08:36,467 --> 01:08:39,800 WikiLeaks, DDoS ATTACKS. 2141 01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:41,467 >> YOU ALSO WANTED TO LAUNCH 2142 01:08:41,467 --> 01:08:43,067 CYBER ATTACKS ON WikiLeaks 2143 01:08:43,067 --> 01:08:44,367 INFRASTRUCTURE TO GET 2144 01:08:44,367 --> 01:08:45,800 INFORMATION ON DOCUMENT 2145 01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:46,600 SUBMITTERS. 2146 01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:47,933 >> ONE THING, I GUESS, I WANT TO 2147 01:08:47,933 --> 01:08:50,933 MAKE SURE IS CLEAR IS... 2148 01:08:50,933 --> 01:08:54,333 NONE OF THOSE ACTIVITIES HAD 2149 01:08:54,333 --> 01:08:55,467 ACTUALLY OCCURRED. 2150 01:08:55,467 --> 01:08:56,867 YOU KNOW, THERE'S -- IN 2151 01:08:56,867 --> 01:08:58,567 BUSINESS, THERE'S...YOU KNOW, 2152 01:08:58,567 --> 01:08:59,800 WHEN YOU START PROPOSING OR 2153 01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,267 THINKING ABOUT AN IDEA, THERE'S 2154 01:09:01,267 --> 01:09:02,333 A BRAINSTORMING PHASE. 2155 01:09:02,333 --> 01:09:03,667 AND SOMEBODY SAYS, "WELL, WHAT 2156 01:09:03,667 --> 01:09:05,067 IF, YOU KNOW -- WHAT COULD WE 2157 01:09:05,067 --> 01:09:05,300 DO? 2158 01:09:05,300 --> 01:09:06,700 WHAT'S THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE?" 2159 01:09:06,700 --> 01:09:07,933 >> WELL, STILL, THIS WAS AN 2160 01:09:07,933 --> 01:09:08,333 IDEA. 2161 01:09:08,333 --> 01:09:09,233 THIS WAS PROPOSED. 2162 01:09:09,233 --> 01:09:10,467 THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU 2163 01:09:10,467 --> 01:09:11,200 THOUGHT ABOUT. 2164 01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:14,200 >> RIGHT. 2165 01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,067 >> THEY ALSO WANTED TO GO ON A 2166 01:09:16,067 --> 01:09:17,733 CAMPAIGN KIND OF TARGETING 2167 01:09:17,733 --> 01:09:19,300 GLENN GREENWALD, WHO'S A 2168 01:09:19,300 --> 01:09:21,067 REPORTER FOR SALON, WHO'S AN 2169 01:09:21,067 --> 01:09:23,067 OUTSPOKEN KIND OF CRITIC OF THE 2170 01:09:23,067 --> 01:09:24,733 GOVERNMENT AND SUPPORTER OF 2171 01:09:24,733 --> 01:09:25,533 WikiLeaks. 2172 01:09:25,533 --> 01:09:27,767 >> IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE TRYING 2173 01:09:27,767 --> 01:09:29,900 TO ATTACK A JOURNALIST HERE. 2174 01:09:29,900 --> 01:09:31,633 >> YEAH, AND I, YOU KNOW -- I 2175 01:09:31,633 --> 01:09:33,533 DON'T WANT TO TALK TOO MUCH MORE 2176 01:09:33,533 --> 01:09:34,867 ABOUT GLENN GREENWALD, BUT OTHER 2177 01:09:34,867 --> 01:09:35,833 THAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT I 2178 01:09:35,833 --> 01:09:37,167 PREVIOUSLY SAID IS, YOU KNOW -- 2179 01:09:37,167 --> 01:09:38,833 THERE WAS NEVER AN INTENT TO 2180 01:09:38,833 --> 01:09:42,833 ATTACK...JOURNALISTS. 2181 01:09:42,833 --> 01:09:44,267 NOT ON MY PART. 2182 01:09:44,267 --> 01:09:46,533 YOU KNOW...I GUESS I SHOULD 2183 01:09:46,533 --> 01:09:48,167 SAY -- I SHOULD GENERALIZE THAT 2184 01:09:48,167 --> 01:09:49,633 AND TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I 2185 01:09:49,633 --> 01:09:51,100 WOULD NEVER JUST OUTWARDLY 2186 01:09:51,100 --> 01:09:52,733 ATTACK A JOURNALIST OTHER THAN 2187 01:09:52,733 --> 01:09:54,200 IF I FELT THAT THERE WAS A 2188 01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:55,933 JOURNALIST, IN MY MIND, THAT WAS 2189 01:09:55,933 --> 01:10:00,267 ACTING UNETHICALLY. 2190 01:10:00,267 --> 01:10:03,267 THAT'S A FAIR GAME FOR HAVING A 2191 01:10:03,267 --> 01:10:05,633 PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. 2192 01:10:05,833 --> 01:10:07,500 >> THEY WERE WALKING A VERY FINE 2193 01:10:07,500 --> 01:10:09,500 ETHICAL LINE AT POINTS, AND, IN 2194 01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:12,667 MANY CASES, THE MASS OPINION IS, 2195 01:10:12,667 --> 01:10:15,200 "NO, THEY STEPPED WELL PAST IT." 2196 01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:17,133 >> I WILL NOT SUPPORT BROAD 2197 01:10:17,133 --> 01:10:18,800 THEFT OF -- OF INFORMATION 2198 01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,633 RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC 'CAUSE 2199 01:10:20,633 --> 01:10:22,567 THAT'S NOTHING BUT DESTRUCTIVE. 2200 01:10:22,567 --> 01:10:24,300 IF SOMEBODY HAS INFORMATION 2201 01:10:24,300 --> 01:10:26,133 THAT'S BEEN STOLEN FROM THEM, 2202 01:10:26,133 --> 01:10:27,900 AND WHETHER OR NOT WikiLeaks 2203 01:10:27,900 --> 01:10:29,833 ENCOURAGED THE THEFT OF THAT OR 2204 01:10:29,833 --> 01:10:31,733 WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS JUST PUT 2205 01:10:31,733 --> 01:10:33,400 IN THEIR LAP -- STILL, 2206 01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:34,567 THEY'RE -- THEY'RE THREATENING 2207 01:10:34,567 --> 01:10:36,900 TO RELEASE THE INFORMATION THAT 2208 01:10:36,900 --> 01:10:38,067 WAS THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OF 2209 01:10:38,067 --> 01:10:40,167 ANOTHER ORGANIZATION. 2210 01:10:40,167 --> 01:10:42,800 SO, YOUR CHOICES ARE TO JUST 2211 01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,600 ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN OR TO TRY 2212 01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,933 TO STOP IT. 2213 01:10:47,933 --> 01:10:50,100 HOW OFFENSIVE IS TOO OFFENSIVE? 2214 01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:51,433 YOU KNOW, WE'VE CERTAINLY SEEN A 2215 01:10:51,433 --> 01:10:53,100 LOT OF STRATEGY COMING OUT OF 2216 01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:55,100 GOVERNMENTS ACROSS THE WORLD 2217 01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:56,267 NOW, SAYING, YOU KNOW -- 2218 01:10:56,267 --> 01:10:57,533 PUBLICLY ADMITTING THAT THEY 2219 01:10:57,533 --> 01:10:58,867 NEED TO BECOME -- THEY NEED TO 2220 01:10:58,867 --> 01:11:00,067 DEVELOP BETTER OFFENSIVE 2221 01:11:00,067 --> 01:11:01,367 STRATEGIES IN CYBER SECURITY, 2222 01:11:01,367 --> 01:11:04,067 BECAUSE DEFENSE AS A WHOLE ISN'T 2223 01:11:04,067 --> 01:11:06,233 ENOUGH. 2224 01:11:06,233 --> 01:11:08,900 IT NEVER IS ENOUGH. 2225 01:11:08,900 --> 01:11:10,100 >> IN THE COURT OF PUBLIC 2226 01:11:10,100 --> 01:11:11,567 OPINION THAT TOOK HBGary QUICKLY 2227 01:11:11,567 --> 01:11:13,067 FROM BEING A PERCEIVED VICTIM TO 2228 01:11:13,067 --> 01:11:14,200 BEING A PERCEIVED VILLAIN 2229 01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:14,833 THEMSELVES. 2230 01:11:14,833 --> 01:11:16,067 IT WAS BECOMING HARDER AND 2231 01:11:16,067 --> 01:11:17,467 HARDER TO DISTINGUISH THE GOOD 2232 01:11:17,467 --> 01:11:19,067 GUYS FROM THE BAD GUYS. 2233 01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,533 >> HBGary CHANGED ANONYMOUS... 2234 01:11:22,533 --> 01:11:25,367 AS TREMENDOUSLY AS OPTUNISIA 2235 01:11:25,367 --> 01:11:25,867 DID. 2236 01:11:25,867 --> 01:11:27,367 AND WITHIN ESSENTIALLY A MONTH 2237 01:11:27,367 --> 01:11:29,367 OF EACH OTHER, THESE TWO EVENTS 2238 01:11:29,367 --> 01:11:32,367 WERE TOTALLY FORMATIVE FOR THE 2239 01:11:32,367 --> 01:11:33,233 COLLECTIVE. 2240 01:11:33,433 --> 01:11:35,433 OPTUNISIA WAS WHERE IT GOT ITS 2241 01:11:35,433 --> 01:11:37,533 MORAL COMPASS AND ITS SENSE THAT 2242 01:11:37,533 --> 01:11:39,300 IT COULD AFFECT THE WORLD. 2243 01:11:39,300 --> 01:11:41,067 HBGary IS WHERE IT GOT ITS 2244 01:11:41,067 --> 01:11:42,267 SWAGGER. 2245 01:11:44,967 --> 01:11:48,133 >> GEORGE HOTZ MADE IT POSSIBLE 2246 01:11:48,133 --> 01:11:50,800 FOR PlayStation TO RUN 2247 01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:52,467 HOMEBREWED SOFTWARE, WHICH ALSO 2248 01:11:52,467 --> 01:11:54,067 LETS YOU RUN PIRATED SOFTWARE. 2249 01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:56,100 >> YO! IT'S G.O. HOT. 2250 01:11:56,100 --> 01:11:58,667 AND FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, 2251 01:11:58,667 --> 01:12:01,067 I'M GETTING SUED BY SONY. 2252 01:12:01,067 --> 01:12:02,700 >> SO, SONY WENT AFTER HIM, 2253 01:12:02,700 --> 01:12:04,067 CLAIMING IT WAS A DMCA 2254 01:12:04,067 --> 01:12:04,833 VIOLATION. 2255 01:12:04,833 --> 01:12:06,167 >> THEY JUST KIND OF MASS-LAWYER 2256 01:12:06,167 --> 01:12:08,333 NASTYGRAMMED HIM AND SHUT HIM 2257 01:12:08,333 --> 01:12:09,967 DOWN AND DID SUE HIM. 2258 01:12:09,967 --> 01:12:10,967 HE SETTLED. 2259 01:12:10,967 --> 01:12:13,067 AND THE RESPONSE TO THAT WAS 2260 01:12:13,067 --> 01:12:15,100 IMMEDIATE AND BRUTAL. 2261 01:12:15,300 --> 01:12:16,567 >> SONY HAS CONFIRMED THAT 2262 01:12:16,567 --> 01:12:17,667 HACKERS BROKE INTO ITS 2263 01:12:17,667 --> 01:12:19,067 PlayStation NETWORK, EXPOSING 2264 01:12:19,067 --> 01:12:20,500 THE PERSONAL INFORMATION OF UP 2265 01:12:20,500 --> 01:12:22,533 TO 77 MILLION USERS WORLDWIDE. 2266 01:12:22,733 --> 01:12:24,467 >> OVER THE NEXT SIX TO EIGHT 2267 01:12:24,467 --> 01:12:26,367 MONTHS, THEY WERE HACKED OVER 20 2268 01:12:26,367 --> 01:12:27,200 TIMES. 2269 01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:28,233 THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT 2270 01:12:28,233 --> 01:12:29,533 ANONYMOUS WAS ANYWHERE NEAR THE 2271 01:12:29,533 --> 01:12:30,500 MAJORITY OF THE HACKS. 2272 01:12:30,500 --> 01:12:31,567 ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT 2273 01:12:31,567 --> 01:12:32,767 CAPTURED SO MUCH OF THE MEDIA 2274 01:12:32,767 --> 01:12:34,067 IMAGINATION WHEN ANONYMOUS DID 2275 01:12:34,067 --> 01:12:35,700 IT, AS OPPOSED TO WHEN OTHER 2276 01:12:35,700 --> 01:12:37,433 PEOPLE DID IT, IS BECAUSE THEY 2277 01:12:37,433 --> 01:12:39,100 WERE LOUD AND BOMBASTIC, AND 2278 01:12:39,100 --> 01:12:40,967 THEY HAD A GREAT IMAGE YOU COULD 2279 01:12:40,967 --> 01:12:42,400 THROW ON THE TOP OF YOUR 2280 01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:43,767 ARTICLE, AND THEY MADE 2281 01:12:43,767 --> 01:12:45,400 STATEMENTS THAT, WHEN YOU'RE 2282 01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,167 CONSTRUCTING A STORY, YOU JUST 2283 01:12:47,167 --> 01:12:51,833 CAN'T RESIST. 2284 01:12:51,833 --> 01:12:54,067 >> AND THEN, KIND OF SEEMINGLY 2285 01:12:54,067 --> 01:12:55,900 OUT OF THE BLUE, THERE WAS 2286 01:12:55,900 --> 01:12:58,067 SOMETHING BY THE NAME LulzSec 2287 01:12:58,067 --> 01:12:59,900 THAT SAILED INTO THE SEAS. 2288 01:12:59,900 --> 01:13:01,867 >> LulzSec -- IT'S A SORT OF A 2289 01:13:01,867 --> 01:13:03,700 GROUP, MOSTLY FROM ANONYMOUS, 2290 01:13:03,700 --> 01:13:05,533 WHO -- LARGE PART OF THE SAME 2291 01:13:05,533 --> 01:13:07,167 PEOPLE WHO HACKED HBGary. 2292 01:13:07,167 --> 01:13:08,500 AND THEY DECIDED TO FORM THIS 2293 01:13:08,500 --> 01:13:10,767 LITTLE GROUP AND CARRY ON 2294 01:13:10,767 --> 01:13:13,433 OPERATIONS OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW 2295 01:13:13,433 --> 01:13:15,800 OF ANONYMOUS FOR AWHILE. 2296 01:13:29,567 --> 01:13:32,900 >> LulzSec TRIED TO SAY IT 2297 01:13:32,900 --> 01:13:34,167 WASN'T ANONYMOUS FOR AWHILE. 2298 01:13:34,167 --> 01:13:35,600 THEY TRIED TO DIVIDE ITSELF OFF. 2299 01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:36,933 I DON'T THINK ANYONE BOUGHT IT 2300 01:13:36,933 --> 01:13:37,633 FOR A MINUTE. 2301 01:13:37,633 --> 01:13:39,200 THERE WAS NO WAY THAT LulzSec 2302 01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:40,633 WAS NOT ANONYMOUS, BUT THE 2303 01:13:40,633 --> 01:13:42,233 MAJORITY OF TIME, THE MAJORITY 2304 01:13:42,233 --> 01:13:43,933 OF ANONS WERE NOT DOING ANYTHING 2305 01:13:43,933 --> 01:13:45,133 PARTICULARLY ILLEGAL. 2306 01:13:45,133 --> 01:13:47,433 WHEN THEY ARE, A HUGE NUMBER OF 2307 01:13:47,433 --> 01:13:49,600 THEM TRY TO DO THAT IN A VERY 2308 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,633 SPECIFIC POLITICAL CONTEXT. 2309 01:13:51,633 --> 01:13:53,833 FOR THOSE PEOPLE, WHAT LulzSec 2310 01:13:53,833 --> 01:13:56,200 WAS DOING -- THEY WERE FUNNY BUT 2311 01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:58,167 THEY WERE ATTACKING RANDOM 2312 01:13:58,167 --> 01:13:58,867 TARGETS. 2313 01:13:58,867 --> 01:14:00,367 THEY WERE BREAKING THE 2314 01:14:00,367 --> 01:14:03,400 QUASI-RULES BY ATTACKING MEDIA. 2315 01:14:15,833 --> 01:14:16,900 >> THERE WAS A LOT OF 2316 01:14:16,900 --> 01:14:18,300 IN-FIGHTING ABOUT IT BECAUSE 2317 01:14:18,300 --> 01:14:19,667 THEIR WAY, YOU KNOW, WASN'T 2318 01:14:19,667 --> 01:14:21,067 REALLY OUR WAY. 2319 01:14:21,067 --> 01:14:23,833 WE WILL NOT ATTACK THE MEDIA. 2320 01:14:23,833 --> 01:14:25,400 >> PBS's "FRONTLINE" RUNS A 2321 01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,100 DOCUMENTARY MAINLY FOCUSED ON 2322 01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:28,733 BRADLEY MANNING, THE ALLEGED 2323 01:14:28,733 --> 01:14:30,467 LEAKER TO WikiLeaks, AND A LOT 2324 01:14:30,467 --> 01:14:32,133 OF BRADLEY MANNING SUPPORTERS 2325 01:14:32,133 --> 01:14:33,133 DIDN'T LIKE IT. 2326 01:14:33,133 --> 01:14:35,100 >> THEY HACKED THE WEBSITE, 2327 01:14:35,100 --> 01:14:37,200 PUTTING A STORY THAT 2PAC AND 2328 01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,367 BIGGIE HAD KIND OF ESCAPED THE 2329 01:14:39,367 --> 01:14:41,433 WORLD OF CELEBRITY, FAME, AND 2330 01:14:41,433 --> 01:14:43,533 ATTENTION AND RETIRED QUIETLY 2331 01:14:43,533 --> 01:14:45,700 AND DISCREETLY IN NEW ZEALAND. 2332 01:14:45,700 --> 01:14:47,067 >> LulzSec, WHEN THEY ATTACKED 2333 01:14:47,067 --> 01:14:48,367 PBS, YOU KNOW, THAT GAVE ME THE 2334 01:14:48,367 --> 01:14:49,900 CREEPS, YOU KNOW. 2335 01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:51,867 AS A JOURNALIST, I'M NOT TOO 2336 01:14:51,867 --> 01:14:53,433 THRILLED WITH THE IDEA OF 2337 01:14:53,433 --> 01:14:55,367 SOMEONE JUDGING THAT, "WE DON'T 2338 01:14:55,367 --> 01:14:56,833 LIKE YOU TO WRITE THAT. 2339 01:14:56,833 --> 01:14:58,800 WE DON'T LIKE YOUR REPORTING, SO 2340 01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,533 WE'RE GONNA SHUT DOWN YOUR 2341 01:15:00,533 --> 01:15:01,267 WEBSITE." 2342 01:15:01,267 --> 01:15:02,833 I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT. 2343 01:15:02,833 --> 01:15:04,533 IT COULD BE ME, AND I COULD BE 2344 01:15:04,533 --> 01:15:06,233 WRITING SOMETHING ABOUT A GROUP 2345 01:15:06,233 --> 01:15:07,533 THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE. 2346 01:15:07,533 --> 01:15:09,167 AND I'M HAPPY TO SIT AND TALK 2347 01:15:09,167 --> 01:15:10,733 WITH THEM ABOUT IT, BUT, YOU 2348 01:15:10,733 --> 01:15:12,267 KNOW, DON'T SHUT MY WEBSITE 2349 01:15:12,267 --> 01:15:13,133 DOWN. 2350 01:15:29,833 --> 01:15:31,167 >> HACKTIVISM STARTED TO 2351 01:15:31,167 --> 01:15:36,333 BECOME...SORT OF...I WOULD SAY 2352 01:15:36,333 --> 01:15:38,667 ALMOST MORE NASTY, USING, YOU 2353 01:15:38,667 --> 01:15:39,833 KNOW, SORT OF MORE 2354 01:15:39,833 --> 01:15:41,500 NO-HOLDS-BARRED KIND OF 2355 01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:44,233 ATTACKS -- SORT OF MORE VICIOUS 2356 01:15:44,233 --> 01:15:45,200 ATTACKS. 2357 01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,533 >> LulzSec ADDS THIS DIMENSION 2358 01:15:48,533 --> 01:15:50,200 OF BOMBASTIC LAWBREAKING TO 2359 01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:52,367 ANONYMOUS. 2360 01:15:52,367 --> 01:15:53,700 FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE FOCUSED 2361 01:15:53,700 --> 01:15:55,533 ON THINGS LIKE THE FREEDOMOPS, 2362 01:15:55,533 --> 01:15:57,700 WHO WANT ANONYMOUS TO BE A WAY 2363 01:15:57,700 --> 01:15:59,733 OF STANDING UP TO THE POWERS 2364 01:15:59,733 --> 01:16:01,900 THAT BE, THIS IS DILUTING AND 2365 01:16:01,900 --> 01:16:04,067 POSSIBLY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO 2366 01:16:04,067 --> 01:16:05,967 THEIR PROJECT IN ANONYMOUS. 2367 01:16:05,967 --> 01:16:07,733 >> YOU CAN TRY TO MAKE A CASE 2368 01:16:07,733 --> 01:16:09,567 FOR CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE AND FOR, 2369 01:16:09,567 --> 01:16:11,467 YOU MIGHT CALL IT, CROWD-SOURCED 2370 01:16:11,467 --> 01:16:12,767 INVESTIGATIONS USING 2371 01:16:12,767 --> 01:16:13,933 SOMETIMES ILLEGAL MEANS. 2372 01:16:13,933 --> 01:16:15,267 IT'S HARD TO KEEP MAKING THAT 2373 01:16:15,267 --> 01:16:16,600 CASE, IT'S HARD TO MAINTAIN THAT 2374 01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,267 CASE WHEN YOU HAVE THESE PEOPLE 2375 01:16:19,267 --> 01:16:21,167 FROM THE MOVEMENT... 2376 01:16:21,167 --> 01:16:23,867 FUCKING WITH PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, 2377 01:16:23,867 --> 01:16:25,567 JUST FUCKING WITH PEOPLE. 2378 01:16:28,100 --> 01:16:30,133 >> THEY SORT OF SAW THEMSELVES 2379 01:16:30,133 --> 01:16:32,200 AS GOING OUT THERE AND BREAKING 2380 01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:33,733 INTO, LIKE, ANYTHING, 2381 01:16:33,733 --> 01:16:35,467 EVERYTHING -- GOVERNMENT, 2382 01:16:35,467 --> 01:16:36,900 CORPORATIONS, POLICE 2383 01:16:36,900 --> 01:16:38,933 DEPARTMENTS -- LARGELY FOR THE 2384 01:16:38,933 --> 01:16:40,733 SAME REASON THAT ANONYMOUS 2385 01:16:40,733 --> 01:16:42,733 WOULD. 2386 01:16:42,733 --> 01:16:44,733 THEY WENT AFTER ARIZONA FOR 2387 01:16:44,733 --> 01:16:47,067 IMMIGRATION POLICY. 2388 01:16:47,067 --> 01:16:50,433 50-DAY RUN CAUSING MAYHEM, 2389 01:16:50,433 --> 01:16:53,933 HAVOC -- AND THEN ENDED IT. 2390 01:16:53,933 --> 01:16:55,533 >> THE COMPUTER HACKING GROUP 2391 01:16:55,533 --> 01:16:57,200 LulzSecurity HAS ANNOUNCED IT'S 2392 01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:58,600 DISBANDING, SAYING IT HAD 2393 01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,333 ACHIEVED ITS MISSION TO DISRUPT 2394 01:17:00,333 --> 01:17:01,700 GOVERNMENT AND CORPORATE 2395 01:17:01,700 --> 01:17:04,867 ORGANIZATIONS FOR FUN. 2396 01:17:04,867 --> 01:17:06,200 >> I CALL THIS WHOLE THING THE 2397 01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:07,733 RISE OF THE CHAOTIC ACTOR. 2398 01:17:07,933 --> 01:17:10,267 AND CHAOTIC COULD BE CHAOTIC 2399 01:17:10,267 --> 01:17:11,767 GOOD, NEUTRAL, OR EVIL. 2400 01:17:11,767 --> 01:17:13,100 AND IF YOU GO BACK TO THE OLD 2401 01:17:13,100 --> 01:17:14,500 "DUNGEONS & DRAGONS" CHARTS -- 2402 01:17:14,500 --> 01:17:15,867 AND SOME PEOPLE SEE IT ON OPS 2403 01:17:15,867 --> 01:17:17,200 INITIALLY AND WILL STICK WITH 2404 01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:18,733 ANONYMOUS AS CHAOTIC GOOD. 2405 01:17:18,933 --> 01:17:20,400 THEY SAW OPERATION PAYBACK OR 2406 01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,067 THEY SAW ATTACKING SCIENTOLOGY, 2407 01:17:22,067 --> 01:17:23,367 AND THEY SAY, "THAT'S GOOD. 2408 01:17:23,367 --> 01:17:24,867 IT'S LIKE ROBIN HOOD, RIGHT?" 2409 01:17:24,867 --> 01:17:26,267 CHAOTIC GOOD -- OUTSIDE THE 2410 01:17:26,267 --> 01:17:27,867 SYSTEM BUT DOING SOMETHING GOOD. 2411 01:17:27,867 --> 01:17:29,500 OTHER PEOPLE SAW ANON AS CHAOTIC 2412 01:17:29,500 --> 01:17:30,567 EVIL LIKE THE JOKER. 2413 01:17:30,567 --> 01:17:32,167 THEY JUST WANT TO SEE THE WORLD 2414 01:17:32,167 --> 01:17:33,667 BURN AND ARE DOING POTENTIALLY 2415 01:17:33,667 --> 01:17:34,733 IRREPARABLE DAMAGE. 2416 01:17:34,733 --> 01:17:36,300 AND THE TRUTH IS, YES, IT'S THE 2417 01:17:36,300 --> 01:17:37,600 ENTIRE COLUMN OF CHAOTIC. 2418 01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:38,967 I'M ACTUALLY A LITTLE LESS 2419 01:17:38,967 --> 01:17:40,367 CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE 2420 01:17:40,367 --> 01:17:41,967 THINGS LulzSec HAS DONE AND MORE 2421 01:17:41,967 --> 01:17:43,233 CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEXT 2422 01:17:43,233 --> 01:17:44,800 GENERATION OF LulzSec, THE NEXT 2423 01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:46,367 TURN OF THE CRANK OF "WHO TAKES 2424 01:17:46,367 --> 01:17:47,500 IT FURTHER OR IS MORE 2425 01:17:47,500 --> 01:17:48,233 AGGRESSIVE?" 2426 01:17:48,233 --> 01:17:49,700 WHOEVER FIGHTS MONSTERS, YOU 2427 01:17:49,700 --> 01:17:51,300 KNOW, SHOULD SEE TO IT THAT THEY 2428 01:17:51,300 --> 01:17:52,833 DON'T THEMSELVES BECOME ONE. 2429 01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:58,533 >> SABU WAS PROBABLY THE MOST 2430 01:17:58,533 --> 01:18:01,467 FAMOUS ANON WHO MANAGED TO KIND 2431 01:18:01,467 --> 01:18:05,967 OF REMAIN FAMOUS FOR AWHILE. 2432 01:18:05,967 --> 01:18:07,833 SOMEBODY WHO GETS FAMOUS IN ANON 2433 01:18:07,833 --> 01:18:09,467 GENERALLY GETS PUNISHED VERY 2434 01:18:09,467 --> 01:18:10,767 HARSHLY BY ANONYMOUS. 2435 01:18:10,767 --> 01:18:13,100 BUT SABU MANAGED TO AVOID THAT A 2436 01:18:13,100 --> 01:18:14,100 FEW WAYS. 2437 01:18:14,100 --> 01:18:15,633 I MEAN, HE WAS A CONTROVERSIAL 2438 01:18:15,633 --> 01:18:16,767 FIGURE -- INCREDIBLY 2439 01:18:16,767 --> 01:18:18,300 CONTROVERSIAL FIGURE -- INSIDE 2440 01:18:18,300 --> 01:18:19,100 OF ANONYMOUS. 2441 01:18:19,100 --> 01:18:20,067 HE WAS BOMBASTIC. 2442 01:18:20,067 --> 01:18:23,067 HE WAS THUGGISH. 2443 01:18:23,067 --> 01:18:27,067 BUT HE WAS ALSO VERY GOOD AT 2444 01:18:27,067 --> 01:18:28,767 MENTORING AND ENCOURAGING PEOPLE 2445 01:18:28,767 --> 01:18:30,333 AND GIVING THEM PERMISSION TO 2446 01:18:30,333 --> 01:18:31,067 TRY THINGS. 2447 01:18:31,067 --> 01:18:33,367 AND THAT WAS, I THINK, ONE OF 2448 01:18:33,367 --> 01:18:35,667 THE MOST PIVOTAL THINGS ABOUT 2449 01:18:35,667 --> 01:18:36,833 SABU'S ROLE. 2450 01:18:36,833 --> 01:18:40,500 AND IT ALSO SPEAKS TO THE 2451 01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:42,500 ABSOLUTELY SOUL-CRUSHING LEVEL 2452 01:18:42,500 --> 01:18:45,167 OF BETRAYAL...WHEN IT WAS 2453 01:18:45,167 --> 01:18:46,500 REVEALED THAT SABU WAS WORKING 2454 01:18:46,500 --> 01:18:47,700 FOR THE FBI. 2455 01:18:51,167 --> 01:18:53,633 THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE WHO 2456 01:18:53,633 --> 01:18:56,400 CANNOT LET GO OF THE IDEA THAT 2457 01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,367 HE WAS SOMEHOW ON THEIR SIDE, 2458 01:18:58,367 --> 01:19:00,567 THAT SOMEHOW HE HAD TO HAVE BEEN 2459 01:19:00,567 --> 01:19:02,633 WORKING AGAINST THE FBI TO HELP 2460 01:19:02,633 --> 01:19:04,133 THEM -- NO MATTER HOW MUCH IS 2461 01:19:04,133 --> 01:19:06,467 REVEALED. 2462 01:19:06,467 --> 01:19:08,067 BUT HE HAD BETRAYED THE 2463 01:19:08,067 --> 01:19:08,933 COLLECTIVE. 2464 01:19:08,933 --> 01:19:10,900 IT DEVASTATED EVERYONE THAT HE 2465 01:19:10,900 --> 01:19:11,933 HAD TOUCHED. 2466 01:19:29,933 --> 01:19:31,767 >> HUGH DAVIES. 2467 01:19:31,767 --> 01:19:33,767 I'M AN INDEPENDENT BARRISTER. 2468 01:19:33,767 --> 01:19:35,867 AMONGST THE CASES I'M WORKING ON 2469 01:19:35,867 --> 01:19:37,800 AT THE MOMENT ARE THE LulzSec 2470 01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:39,067 BASE PROSECUTION. 2471 01:19:39,067 --> 01:19:41,333 I CAN'T COMMENT ON SABU, BUT 2472 01:19:41,333 --> 01:19:43,800 WITH CYBER CRIMINALS, WHATEVER 2473 01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:46,300 THEIR MOTIVATION, IT MAY NOT BE 2474 01:19:46,300 --> 01:19:48,600 PERSONAL PROFIT, BUT IT IS A 2475 01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:50,500 VERY STRONG, SOMETIMES 2476 01:19:50,500 --> 01:19:52,867 DESTRUCTIVE MOTIVE SIMPLY FOR 2477 01:19:52,867 --> 01:19:54,733 THOSE WITH WHOM THEY DISAGREE. 2478 01:19:54,933 --> 01:19:56,867 IN CRIMINAL TERMS, IT'S 2479 01:19:56,867 --> 01:19:57,900 VANDALISM. 2480 01:19:57,900 --> 01:20:00,400 ONE HAS TO BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL 2481 01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,767 THAT ONE PERSON'S EXERCISE OF 2482 01:20:02,767 --> 01:20:05,267 FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS NOT AT THE 2483 01:20:05,267 --> 01:20:07,467 EXPENSE OF SOME OTHER QUITE 2484 01:20:07,467 --> 01:20:09,967 LEGITIMATE ORGANIZATION'S EQUAL 2485 01:20:09,967 --> 01:20:12,400 RIGHT TO HAVE A LAWFUL WEBSITE 2486 01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,600 OPERATING, AVAILABLE TO THE 2487 01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,100 PUBLIC IN A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY. 2488 01:20:17,100 --> 01:20:18,633 AND SIMPLY TAKING OUT LAWFUL 2489 01:20:18,633 --> 01:20:20,133 WEBSITES 'CAUSE YOU DISAGREE 2490 01:20:20,133 --> 01:20:21,567 WITH THEM IS AN EROSION OF 2491 01:20:21,567 --> 01:20:23,133 FREEDOM OF SPEECH RATHER THAN 2492 01:20:23,133 --> 01:20:24,333 EXTENDING IT. 2493 01:20:41,500 --> 01:20:44,400 >> REALLY, AS POWERFUL AS THEY 2494 01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:46,733 SEEM TO BE, LulzSec AND 2495 01:20:46,733 --> 01:20:48,267 ANONYMOUS ARE REALLY SMALL 2496 01:20:48,267 --> 01:20:50,067 POTATOES COMPARED TO THE BIGGER 2497 01:20:50,067 --> 01:20:51,700 OPERATIONS THAT ARE GOING ON 2498 01:20:51,700 --> 01:20:53,500 THAT WE DON'T HEAR ABOUT, MAYBE 2499 01:20:53,500 --> 01:20:54,767 OPERATIONS FUNDED BY 2500 01:20:54,767 --> 01:20:55,600 GOVERNMENTS. 2501 01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,467 >> THE CRIMINAL HACKERS -- THIS 2502 01:20:57,467 --> 01:20:59,100 IS NOT SOME LONE IDIOT, YOU 2503 01:20:59,100 --> 01:21:00,667 KNOW, HUNKERED DOWN LIKE 2504 01:21:00,667 --> 01:21:02,567 BEAVIS OR BUTT-HEAD, CACKLING AT 2505 01:21:02,567 --> 01:21:04,233 MIDNIGHT OVER HIS COMPUTER. 2506 01:21:04,233 --> 01:21:05,933 THERE ARE A FEW OF THOSE BUT 2507 01:21:05,933 --> 01:21:06,967 IT'S ORGANIZED. 2508 01:21:06,967 --> 01:21:08,500 THERE ARE AD HOC CONTRACT 2509 01:21:08,500 --> 01:21:09,500 WORKERS. 2510 01:21:09,500 --> 01:21:10,633 IT COMES OUT OF RUSSIA, COMES 2511 01:21:10,633 --> 01:21:11,733 OUT OF ROMANIA, COMES OUT OF 2512 01:21:11,733 --> 01:21:14,133 IRAN -- COMES OUT OF WHEREVER. 2513 01:21:14,133 --> 01:21:16,567 BUT THEY WORK ON BEHALF OF THE 2514 01:21:16,567 --> 01:21:18,700 USUAL CRIMINAL ENTERPRISES 2515 01:21:18,700 --> 01:21:19,700 >> THE COMPUTER-SECURITY 2516 01:21:19,700 --> 01:21:20,900 INDUSTRY HAS JUST BEEN GROWING 2517 01:21:20,900 --> 01:21:22,167 AND GROWING AND GROWING OVER THE 2518 01:21:22,167 --> 01:21:24,533 LAST, YOU KNOW, 10, 15 YEARS. 2519 01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:28,267 THERE'S $10 BILLION COMPANIES IN 2520 01:21:28,267 --> 01:21:29,800 THE COMPUTER-SECURITY INDUSTRY. 2521 01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:31,167 I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL 2522 01:21:31,167 --> 01:21:32,333 MARKET CAP IS, BUT IT'S 2523 01:21:32,333 --> 01:21:33,733 CERTAINLY IN THE BILLIONS OF 2524 01:21:33,733 --> 01:21:34,300 DOLLARS. 2525 01:21:34,300 --> 01:21:36,200 BLACK HAT, WHEN I FIRST STARTED 2526 01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,133 COMING, LIKE 15 YEARS AGO, THERE 2527 01:21:38,133 --> 01:21:39,533 WAS, LIKE, 500 PEOPLE. 2528 01:21:39,533 --> 01:21:41,433 AND THERE'S 8,500 PEOPLE TODAY. 2529 01:21:41,433 --> 01:21:43,333 SO, EVERY YEAR, MORE AND MORE 2530 01:21:43,333 --> 01:21:45,367 PEOPLE COME TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT 2531 01:21:45,367 --> 01:21:46,533 ARE THE ATTACKS. 2532 01:21:46,533 --> 01:21:48,400 COMPANIES COME TO, YOU KNOW, 2533 01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:49,700 SELL NEW PRODUCTS. 2534 01:21:49,700 --> 01:21:51,600 AND THE GOVERNMENT IS COMING, 2535 01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,400 SAYING, "WE WANT TO RECRUIT 2536 01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:55,267 YOU TO COME BE OUR NEW CYBER 2537 01:21:55,267 --> 01:21:56,100 WARRIORS." 2538 01:21:56,100 --> 01:21:57,867 >> THE KIND OF THING THAT DRIVES 2539 01:21:57,867 --> 01:21:59,267 PEOPLE TO SOMETHING LIKE 2540 01:21:59,267 --> 01:22:00,933 ANONYMOUS IS THAT SENSE THAT 2541 01:22:00,933 --> 01:22:02,533 THEIR GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO 2542 01:22:02,533 --> 01:22:04,200 WATCH THEM EVERY MOMENT OF THE 2543 01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:05,600 DAY AND, IN AMERICA, OUR 2544 01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,300 GOVERNMENT IS KIND OF WATCHING 2545 01:22:07,300 --> 01:22:08,300 US ALL THE TIME. 2546 01:22:08,300 --> 01:22:10,067 LIKE, WE NOW KNOW THAT WITH THE 2547 01:22:10,067 --> 01:22:11,433 WARRANTLESS WIRETAPPING. 2548 01:22:11,433 --> 01:22:13,667 YOU KNOW, WE LIVE UNDER CONSTANT 2549 01:22:13,667 --> 01:22:14,333 CCTVs. 2550 01:22:14,333 --> 01:22:16,567 WE HAVE THAT SENSE THAT NOT ONLY 2551 01:22:16,567 --> 01:22:18,700 ARE WE BEING TRACKED, BUT IT'S 2552 01:22:18,700 --> 01:22:21,867 ABOUT TO GET A LOT WORSE. 2553 01:22:21,867 --> 01:22:23,667 THE NSA HAS EMBRACED DOMESTIC 2554 01:22:23,667 --> 01:22:24,267 SPYING. 2555 01:22:24,267 --> 01:22:25,800 THEY'RE BUILDING A GIANT 2556 01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:27,067 SPY CENTER IN UTAH. 2557 01:22:27,067 --> 01:22:28,833 AND THE ONLY THING -- THE ONLY 2558 01:22:28,833 --> 01:22:30,567 THING -- THAT EVEN GIVES THEM 2559 01:22:30,567 --> 01:22:34,567 PAUSE IS ENCRYPTION. 2560 01:22:34,567 --> 01:22:36,500 ANONYMOUS GIVES PEOPLE A WAY TO 2561 01:22:36,500 --> 01:22:38,333 EXIST OUTSIDE OF THIS SYSTEM. 2562 01:22:38,333 --> 01:22:40,067 >> THERE'S A CERTAIN ONLINE 2563 01:22:40,067 --> 01:22:42,067 CULTURE THAT BELIEVES IN CERTAIN 2564 01:22:42,067 --> 01:22:43,467 VALUES LIKE FREEDOM OF 2565 01:22:43,467 --> 01:22:44,333 EXPRESSION. 2566 01:22:44,333 --> 01:22:46,067 THEY'RE AGAINST CORRUPTION. 2567 01:22:46,067 --> 01:22:47,767 THEY'RE AGAINST GOVERNMENTS 2568 01:22:47,767 --> 01:22:49,500 CONTROLLING THEIR CITIZENS. 2569 01:22:49,500 --> 01:22:51,367 AND WHEN THEY SEE THOSE VALUES 2570 01:22:51,367 --> 01:22:53,067 HARMED IN SOME WAY BY SOME 2571 01:22:53,067 --> 01:22:54,867 ORGANIZATION, THE HACKTIVISTS 2572 01:22:54,867 --> 01:22:57,867 STRIKE BACK. 2573 01:22:57,867 --> 01:22:59,200 >> 16 PEOPLE WERE ARRESTED 2574 01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:00,133 TODAY. 2575 01:23:00,333 --> 01:23:01,967 >> DOZENS OF FBI AGENTS TARGETED 2576 01:23:01,967 --> 01:23:03,600 ALLEGED MEMBERS OF A LOOSE-KNIT 2577 01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:04,433 HACKING GROUP. 2578 01:23:04,433 --> 01:23:05,867 ARMED WITH SEARCH WARRANTS, 2579 01:23:05,867 --> 01:23:07,100 AGENTS HIT SIX HOMES IN 2580 01:23:07,100 --> 01:23:08,667 NEW YORK, ALONG WITH LOCATIONS 2581 01:23:08,667 --> 01:23:09,933 ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 2582 01:23:10,067 --> 01:23:11,767 >> THE PEOPLE ARRESTED YESTERDAY 2583 01:23:11,767 --> 01:23:13,300 WERE SUSPECTED OF ATTACKING 2584 01:23:13,300 --> 01:23:14,800 PayPal's WEBSITE AFTER THE 2585 01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:16,367 COMPANY SHUT OFF PAYMENTS TO 2586 01:23:16,367 --> 01:23:17,100 WikiLeaks. 2587 01:23:17,100 --> 01:23:18,800 >> DEFENDERS OF THE HACKERS SAY 2588 01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:20,533 THEY'RE MERELY ENGAGED IN CIVIL 2589 01:23:20,533 --> 01:23:22,267 PROTEST, BUT FBI OFFICIALS WORRY 2590 01:23:22,267 --> 01:23:23,833 THE DISRUPTIVE CYBER ATTACKS 2591 01:23:23,833 --> 01:23:25,500 COULD MOVE IN A MORE DANGEROUS 2592 01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:26,367 DIRECTION. 2593 01:23:26,567 --> 01:23:27,633 >> SO, THE FBI SHOWS UP. 2594 01:23:27,633 --> 01:23:28,967 IT'S 6:00 IN THE MORNING, AND IT 2595 01:23:28,967 --> 01:23:29,900 WAS REALLY OBNOXIOUS. 2596 01:23:29,900 --> 01:23:31,967 AND I REMEMBER BEING FRUSTRATED 2597 01:23:31,967 --> 01:23:33,800 AND ANGRY BECAUSE THERE WAS 2598 01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:35,700 NOTHING THAT I HAD DONE THAT 2599 01:23:35,700 --> 01:23:37,533 WOULD HAVE JUSTIFIED AN FBI 2600 01:23:37,533 --> 01:23:38,567 SEARCH WARRANT. 2601 01:23:38,767 --> 01:23:42,433 >> THEY CAME AND...GUNS BLAZING 2602 01:23:42,433 --> 01:23:44,300 AND ALL THIS OTHER GOOD STUFF -- 2603 01:23:44,300 --> 01:23:45,600 BUSTED DOWN THE DOOR. 2604 01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,433 I IMMEDIATELY JUST DROPPED DOWN 2605 01:23:47,433 --> 01:23:48,600 ON THE FLOOR, 180. 2606 01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:50,467 I WASN'T TRYING TO FIGHT NOBODY. 2607 01:23:50,467 --> 01:23:51,800 >> THE THEORY OF THE CASE IS 2608 01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:53,300 THEY WERE, YOU KNOW -- THEY 2609 01:23:53,300 --> 01:23:55,467 FLOODED -- "A NUMBER OF PEOPLE 2610 01:23:55,467 --> 01:23:57,633 FLOODED ACCESS TO PayPal, 2611 01:23:57,633 --> 01:23:58,967 THEREBY CREATING ECONOMIC 2612 01:23:58,967 --> 01:24:00,667 DISTRESS TO A PROTECTED 2613 01:24:00,667 --> 01:24:01,733 CORPORATION." 2614 01:24:01,733 --> 01:24:02,733 END OF STORY. 2615 01:24:02,733 --> 01:24:04,800 THIS ISN'T -- THIS IS NOT A CASE 2616 01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:06,500 INVOLVING IDENTITY THEFT, 2617 01:24:06,500 --> 01:24:08,167 INVOLVING OUTING E-MAILS, 2618 01:24:08,167 --> 01:24:10,133 INVOLVING VIOLATING PRIVILEGE, 2619 01:24:10,133 --> 01:24:11,967 INVOLVING THEFT OF SERVICES, 2620 01:24:11,967 --> 01:24:13,867 INVOLVING, YOU KNOW, SHUTTING 2621 01:24:13,867 --> 01:24:15,467 DOWN BUSINESS. 2622 01:24:15,467 --> 01:24:18,633 IT IS A PURE CASE OF INTERNET OR 2623 01:24:18,633 --> 01:24:20,233 CYBER SIT-INS. 2624 01:24:20,233 --> 01:24:21,867 I THINK WHEN BARRACK OBAMA GETS 2625 01:24:21,867 --> 01:24:23,433 ON TELEVISION AND SAYS, "FLOOD 2626 01:24:23,433 --> 01:24:25,067 THE SWITCHBOARD, SHUT DOWN THE 2627 01:24:25,067 --> 01:24:26,167 REPUBLICANS, SEND THE 2628 01:24:26,167 --> 01:24:27,900 MESSAGE" -- THAT'S LEGAL. 2629 01:24:27,900 --> 01:24:30,067 AND EVEN IF YOU ACCEPT WHAT THE 2630 01:24:30,067 --> 01:24:31,400 THEORY OF THIS PROSECUTION IS, 2631 01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:32,333 IT'S NO DIFFERENT. 2632 01:24:32,333 --> 01:24:34,667 THIS IS AN ELECTRONIC SIT-IN AT 2633 01:24:34,667 --> 01:24:36,067 ITS FINEST. 2634 01:24:36,233 --> 01:24:37,733 >> SO, WHAT I'M FACING IS A 2635 01:24:37,733 --> 01:24:40,900 FELONY -- 15 YEARS IN FEDERAL 2636 01:24:40,900 --> 01:24:45,567 PRISON AND A $250,000 FINE. 2637 01:24:45,567 --> 01:24:47,100 IF YOU'RE A PEDOPHILE, THE 2638 01:24:47,100 --> 01:24:48,367 AVERAGE IS 11 YEARS. 2639 01:24:48,367 --> 01:24:49,500 THAT'S RIDICULOUS. 2640 01:24:49,500 --> 01:24:51,067 I MEAN, YOU CAN GO MOLEST 2641 01:24:51,067 --> 01:24:52,567 CHILDREN AND GET LESS OF A 2642 01:24:52,567 --> 01:24:56,400 SENTENCE THAN YOU WOULD FOR 2643 01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,533 BREAKING INTO SOMEONE'S PHONE. 2644 01:24:58,533 --> 01:24:59,867 >> IF YOU -- EVEN IF YOU ACCEPT 2645 01:24:59,867 --> 01:25:01,300 WHAT THE GOVERNMENT IS SAYING IS 2646 01:25:01,300 --> 01:25:03,500 TRUE, WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT 2647 01:25:03,500 --> 01:25:05,733 PEOPLE ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE 2648 01:25:05,733 --> 01:25:06,533 PROCESS. 2649 01:25:06,533 --> 01:25:09,433 IT IS VERY MUCH THE PROCESS. 2650 01:25:09,433 --> 01:25:11,967 IT IS SITTING IN AT A COUNTER IN 2651 01:25:11,967 --> 01:25:14,167 SELMA, ALABAMA, 500 FREEDOM 2652 01:25:14,167 --> 01:25:16,100 RIDERS REFUSING TO ALLOW PEOPLE 2653 01:25:16,100 --> 01:25:17,900 TO GO SIT IN AT A SEGREGATED 2654 01:25:17,900 --> 01:25:18,933 LUNCH COUNTER. 2655 01:25:18,933 --> 01:25:20,433 THEY WRITE BOOKS ABOUT THAT 2656 01:25:20,433 --> 01:25:20,933 STUFF. 2657 01:25:20,933 --> 01:25:22,633 IT IS DEMONSTRATING AT A STREET 2658 01:25:22,633 --> 01:25:24,433 CORNER SAYING NO TO A WAR. 2659 01:25:24,433 --> 01:25:26,300 IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT -- IT'S 2660 01:25:26,300 --> 01:25:27,500 JUST A DIFFERENT VEHICLE. 2661 01:25:27,500 --> 01:25:28,533 IT'S THE SAME RESULT. 2662 01:25:28,533 --> 01:25:29,667 >> YOU KNOW, I WOULD NEVER 2663 01:25:29,667 --> 01:25:30,933 COMPARE MYSELF TO PEOPLE LIKE 2664 01:25:30,933 --> 01:25:31,433 GANDHI OR 2665 01:25:31,433 --> 01:25:32,800 DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, BUT THEY 2666 01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:34,100 WERE ONE PERSON, AND THEY WERE 2667 01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:35,467 WILLING TO GO OUT AND CHANGE THE 2668 01:25:35,467 --> 01:25:36,867 WORLD. 2669 01:25:36,867 --> 01:25:38,767 AND THEIR MESSAGES LIVE ON EVERY 2670 01:25:38,767 --> 01:25:40,567 DAY THROUGH EVERYBODY. 2671 01:25:40,567 --> 01:25:42,067 AND TO NOT TAKE THE CHANCE OF 2672 01:25:42,067 --> 01:25:43,733 HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO DO 2673 01:25:43,733 --> 01:25:45,067 IS FOOLISH. 2674 01:25:45,067 --> 01:25:48,467 >> I ONLY WISH WE HAD 50 MILLION 2675 01:25:48,467 --> 01:25:49,400 MERCEDES HAEFER. 2676 01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:51,067 I'D FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE 2677 01:25:51,067 --> 01:25:52,533 AS A GUY GETTING TOWARDS THE 2678 01:25:52,533 --> 01:25:54,133 TAIL END OF HIS CAREER IF THERE 2679 01:25:54,133 --> 01:25:55,233 WERE MORE MERCEDES. 2680 01:25:55,233 --> 01:25:56,900 >> THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE LEGAL 2681 01:25:56,900 --> 01:25:58,633 CONSEQUENCE WHEN YOU DECIDE TO 2682 01:25:58,633 --> 01:25:59,567 BREAK THE LAW. 2683 01:25:59,567 --> 01:26:02,367 THAT COMES WITH THE TERRITORY. 2684 01:26:02,367 --> 01:26:04,100 AND IT WOULD BE NAIVE NOT TO 2685 01:26:04,100 --> 01:26:05,067 EXPECT THAT. 2686 01:26:05,067 --> 01:26:07,333 THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE 2687 01:26:07,333 --> 01:26:09,933 PUNISHMENT WILL BE PROPORTIONAL 2688 01:26:09,933 --> 01:26:12,067 TO THE CRIME. 2689 01:26:12,067 --> 01:26:14,267 AND I SUSPECT IT MIGHT NOT BE. 2690 01:26:14,267 --> 01:26:16,333 PEOPLE WILL BE WATCHING VERY 2691 01:26:16,333 --> 01:26:18,533 CLOSELY TO SEE HOW THESE CASES 2692 01:26:18,533 --> 01:26:21,167 PROCEED ON WHAT GROUNDS AND 2693 01:26:21,167 --> 01:26:23,233 WHETHER THERE'S ANY ROOM DURING 2694 01:26:23,233 --> 01:26:25,300 THE TRIALS TO THINK ESPECIALLY 2695 01:26:25,300 --> 01:26:27,400 OF THE DENIAL-OF-SERVICE ATTACKS 2696 01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:31,567 AS A LEGITIMATE FORM OF PROTEST. 2697 01:26:31,567 --> 01:26:34,067 SO MUCH OF OUR LIVES ARE NOW 2698 01:26:34,067 --> 01:26:35,800 CONFIGURED AT LEAST IN PART ON 2699 01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:37,733 THE INTERNET, SO WE BETTER START 2700 01:26:37,733 --> 01:26:39,400 THINKING ABOUT HOW WE CLAIM 2701 01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:41,267 PARTS OF THE INTERNET AS SPACES 2702 01:26:41,267 --> 01:26:43,333 THAT WE CAN ALSO PROTEST. 2703 01:27:05,667 --> 01:27:08,733 >> THIS IS THE POINT IN HISTORY 2704 01:27:08,733 --> 01:27:13,200 AT WHICH YOU DECIDE WHETHER OR 2705 01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:14,833 NOT PROTESTING IS POSSIBLE 2706 01:27:14,833 --> 01:27:15,467 ONLINE. 2707 01:27:15,467 --> 01:27:17,267 YOU CAN STAND UP, AND YOU CAN 2708 01:27:17,267 --> 01:27:19,233 SAY FREEDOM OF SPEECH EXTENDS TO 2709 01:27:19,233 --> 01:27:19,800 ONLINE. 2710 01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:21,300 WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT BE 2711 01:27:21,300 --> 01:27:22,800 MONITORED BY OUR GOVERNMENT 2712 01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:24,167 BECAUSE OF OUR OPINIONS. 2713 01:27:24,167 --> 01:27:26,600 IT'S UP TO YOU. 2714 01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:28,100 >> YOU'RE IN THE POSITION OF 2715 01:27:28,100 --> 01:27:28,767 HUCK FINN. 2716 01:27:28,767 --> 01:27:30,467 DO YOU REMEMBER HUCK FINN AT THE 2717 01:27:30,467 --> 01:27:31,400 END OF THE BOOK? 2718 01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:33,067 HE'S TOLD HE'S GOT TO TAKE THAT 2719 01:27:33,067 --> 01:27:34,167 SLAVE AND GIVE IT BACK. 2720 01:27:34,167 --> 01:27:35,500 TWO THINGS WILL HAPPEN IF HE 2721 01:27:35,500 --> 01:27:36,067 DOESN'T. 2722 01:27:36,067 --> 01:27:37,333 ONE -- LEGALLY, HE'LL GO TO 2723 01:27:37,333 --> 01:27:39,333 JAIL, AS JIM IS PROPERTY. 2724 01:27:39,333 --> 01:27:41,067 TWO -- HE'LL BE DAMNED ETERNALLY 2725 01:27:41,067 --> 01:27:42,800 AND BURN IN HELLFIRE 'CAUSE HE'S 2726 01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,533 IN AN EVANGELICAL ENVIRONMENT IN 2727 01:27:44,533 --> 01:27:45,200 MISSOURI. 2728 01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:46,933 AND HUCK SMOKES HIS CORNCOB PIPE 2729 01:27:46,933 --> 01:27:48,433 ALL NIGHT, THINKS ABOUT IT. 2730 01:27:48,433 --> 01:27:49,867 AND NEXT MORNING, HE SAYS, 2731 01:27:49,867 --> 01:27:51,600 "WELL, DAMN IT, I'LL GO TO HELL, 2732 01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:52,100 THEN." 2733 01:27:52,100 --> 01:27:54,333 IN OTHER WORDS, HE DISCOVERED 2734 01:27:54,333 --> 01:27:56,733 THAT IN ORDER TO BE AN EXPERT AT 2735 01:27:56,733 --> 01:27:59,133 ETHICS, YOU HAD TO TRANSCEND THE 2736 01:27:59,133 --> 01:28:01,500 LEGAL AND SANCTIONED RELIGIOUS 2737 01:28:01,500 --> 01:28:03,900 APPROPRIATE TRUTHS OF THE DAY IN 2738 01:28:03,900 --> 01:28:06,167 ORDER TO ACCESS THE META TRUTH 2739 01:28:06,167 --> 01:28:07,800 OF BOTH LEGALITY AND 2740 01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:09,067 RIGHTEOUSNESS. 2741 01:28:09,067 --> 01:28:10,600 WELL, HACKERS SEE THEMSELVES AS 2742 01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:12,133 HUCK PUTTING DOWN THAT CORNCOB 2743 01:28:12,133 --> 01:28:13,567 PIPE AND SAYING, "ALL RIGHT, 2744 01:28:13,567 --> 01:28:14,467 I'LL GO TO JAIL. 2745 01:28:14,467 --> 01:28:15,867 ALL RIGHT, I'LL GO TO HELL. 2746 01:28:15,867 --> 01:28:17,200 BUT I'M GONNA DO THE RIGHT 2747 01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:17,733 THING." 2748 01:28:17,733 --> 01:28:19,300 >> I SUPPOSE THE QUESTION YOU 2749 01:28:19,300 --> 01:28:20,933 REALLY WANT TO ASK IS, WOULD I 2750 01:28:20,933 --> 01:28:23,400 DO IT AGAIN? 2751 01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:24,733 AND HONESTLY, AFTER THINKING 2752 01:28:24,733 --> 01:28:28,600 ABOUT IT, I FELT THAT I DID WHAT 2753 01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:29,567 WAS RIGHT. 2754 01:28:29,567 --> 01:28:31,933 I HAD A BELIEF -- I STILL DO -- 2755 01:28:31,933 --> 01:28:34,133 THAT WHAT I DID WAS THE RIGHT 2756 01:28:34,133 --> 01:28:34,867 THING. 2757 01:28:34,867 --> 01:28:36,533 AND HOPEFULLY SOMEONE GOT SOME 2758 01:28:36,533 --> 01:28:37,467 GOOD OUT OF IT. 2759 01:28:37,467 --> 01:28:39,200 YOU KNOW, I'D LOVE TO THINK THAT 2760 01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:40,767 MAYBE I STOPPED SOMEONE FROM 2761 01:28:40,767 --> 01:28:42,167 JOINING A CULT, YOU KNOW. 2762 01:28:42,167 --> 01:28:43,900 PROBABLY WOULDN'T TELL ON MYSELF 2763 01:28:43,900 --> 01:28:45,400 NEXT TIME, BUT, YOU KNOW, I 2764 01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:47,133 DON'T THINK I WOULD HAVE CHANGED 2765 01:28:47,133 --> 01:28:48,733 A SINGLE THING OTHER THAN THE 2766 01:28:48,733 --> 01:28:50,167 WHOLE "TALKING TO THE FBI" 2767 01:28:50,167 --> 01:28:51,467 THING. 2768 01:28:51,467 --> 01:28:52,800 >> JUST THAT LITTLE DETAIL. 2769 01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:54,267 >> YEAH, JUST THE LITTLE DETAIL 2770 01:28:54,267 --> 01:28:55,800 THAT KIND OF CHANGED EVERYTHING. 2771 01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:56,200 YEAH. 2772 01:28:56,200 --> 01:29:01,233 >> I'M ANGRY. 2773 01:29:01,233 --> 01:29:03,933 OCCASIONALLY, I HAVE SMALL 2774 01:29:03,933 --> 01:29:09,400 BREAKDOWN MOMENTS OF TERROR. 2775 01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:11,567 BUT I HAVEN'T STOPPED BELIEVING 2776 01:29:11,567 --> 01:29:12,767 WHAT I BELIEVE. 2777 01:29:12,767 --> 01:29:14,767 I HAVEN'T STOPPED WANTING TO 2778 01:29:14,767 --> 01:29:15,433 FIGHT. 2779 01:29:15,433 --> 01:29:17,633 I HAVEN'T STOPPED CARING. 2780 01:29:17,833 --> 01:29:19,200 SHOW ME WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS 2781 01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:19,600 LIKE! 2782 01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,067 >> All: THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY 2783 01:29:21,067 --> 01:29:22,233 LOOKS LIKE! 2784 01:29:22,433 --> 01:29:24,433 >> SHOW ME WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS 2785 01:29:24,433 --> 01:29:28,733 LIKE! 2786 01:29:28,733 --> 01:29:32,667 WE GOT SOLD OUT! 2787 01:29:32,667 --> 01:29:34,233 >> I DON'T THINK THIS WHOLE 2788 01:29:34,233 --> 01:29:35,867 ISSUE IS A TECHNICAL HACKING 2789 01:29:35,867 --> 01:29:36,400 THING. 2790 01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,067 THIS IS MORE ABOUT HUMAN 2791 01:29:38,067 --> 01:29:39,733 PHILOSOPHY AND PSYCHOLOGY, 2792 01:29:39,733 --> 01:29:41,567 WHAT'S MOTIVATING US, WHY IS 2793 01:29:41,567 --> 01:29:43,700 THERE SO MUCH UNREST OR 2794 01:29:43,700 --> 01:29:45,400 DISENFRANCHISEMENT OR ANGER THAT 2795 01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:46,933 WOULD LEAD PEOPLE TO WANT TO 2796 01:29:46,933 --> 01:29:48,400 TAKE MATTERS INTO THEIR OWN 2797 01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:49,633 HANDS AND JOIN THEM. 2798 01:29:49,633 --> 01:29:51,167 WHETHER YOU THINK IT'S BAD OR 2799 01:29:51,167 --> 01:29:52,200 NOT IS IRRELEVANT. 2800 01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:53,333 IT'S NOT GOING AWAY. 2801 01:29:53,333 --> 01:29:54,633 >> I HAVE STOOD UPON THE 2802 01:29:54,633 --> 01:29:57,067 MOUNTAINTOP KNOWN AS ANONYMOUS 2803 01:29:57,067 --> 01:29:58,933 AND LOOKED DOWN ON A WORLD 2804 01:29:58,933 --> 01:30:00,800 ENFLAMED WITH REVOLUTION. 2805 01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:05,733 WHAT CAN YOU SAY? 2806 01:30:05,733 --> 01:30:07,200 YOUR SPINE TINGLES WHEN YOU'RE 2807 01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:08,367 AT THE CUSP OF HISTORY. 2808 01:30:08,367 --> 01:30:09,833 WHEN YOU'RE SURFING, YOU KNOW, 2809 01:30:09,833 --> 01:30:11,367 THE WAVES OF HISTORY, YOUR SPINE 2810 01:30:11,367 --> 01:30:13,233 TINGLES. 2811 01:31:10,967 --> 01:31:12,567 >> DESCENT HAS A FACE NOW. 2812 01:31:12,567 --> 01:31:13,833 IT HAS AN AESTHETIC. 2813 01:31:13,833 --> 01:31:15,733 THERE'S THIS PACKAGE IT CAN PICK 2814 01:31:15,733 --> 01:31:18,933 UP AND PUT ON ANYWHERE IN THE 2815 01:31:18,933 --> 01:31:21,067 WORLD FOR ANY CAUSE IT WANTS. 2816 01:31:21,067 --> 01:31:22,400 AND SOMETIMES THAT'S GONNA BE 2817 01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:23,767 TERRIBLE, AND SOMETIMES IT'S 2818 01:31:23,767 --> 01:31:24,900 GOING TO BE WONDERFUL. 2819 01:31:24,900 --> 01:31:26,400 ONE THING I CAN KIND OF PROMISE 2820 01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:27,467 IS THAT IT'S GONNA BE 2821 01:31:27,467 --> 01:31:28,767 INTERESTING. 2822 01:31:28,767 --> 01:31:30,200 IT'S RARE IN HISTORY THAT NEW 2823 01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:31,733 THINGS HAPPEN, BUT I THINK THIS 2824 01:31:31,733 --> 01:31:34,433 IS ONE OF THEM. 2825 01:31:34,433 --> 01:31:36,133 >> IF YOU HAVE POWER IN REAL 2826 01:31:36,133 --> 01:31:38,067 LIFE AND YOU HAVE MONEY IN REAL 2827 01:31:38,067 --> 01:31:39,633 LIFE, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T 2828 01:31:39,633 --> 01:31:41,500 FUCKING MATTER ON THE INTERNET. 2829 01:31:41,500 --> 01:31:43,433 WHAT MATTERS ON THE INTERNET IS 2830 01:31:43,433 --> 01:31:45,867 YOUR ACTUAL IDEAS, YOU KNOW, HOW 2831 01:31:45,867 --> 01:31:47,767 SMART YOU ARE, THE QUALITY OF 2832 01:31:47,767 --> 01:31:48,633 YOU. 2833 01:31:48,833 --> 01:31:50,500 AND WHEN CERTAIN ORGANIZATIONS 2834 01:31:50,500 --> 01:31:52,167 THAT, YOU KNOW -- THEY WANT TO 2835 01:31:52,167 --> 01:31:53,733 EXTEND THEIR REAL-LIFE POWER 2836 01:31:53,733 --> 01:31:55,267 ONTO THE INTERNET, IT'S NOT 2837 01:31:55,267 --> 01:31:56,900 GONNA FUCKING TAKE BECAUSE OF 2838 01:31:56,900 --> 01:31:58,767 ANONYMOUS. 2839 01:32:34,967 --> 01:32:37,067 >> I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE A 2840 01:32:37,067 --> 01:32:39,367 DEMOCRAT OR A REPUBLICAN OR AN 2841 01:32:39,367 --> 01:32:41,400 INDEPENDENT OR IF YOU LIKE 2842 01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:43,400 RON PAUL OR IF YOU WORSHIP 2843 01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:46,133 PIGEONS OR SCIENTOLOGY OR IF 2844 01:32:46,133 --> 01:32:48,967 YOU'RE CATHOLIC OR ATHEIST OR 2845 01:32:48,967 --> 01:32:49,833 METHODIST. 2846 01:32:50,067 --> 01:32:52,300 I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT. 2847 01:32:52,300 --> 01:32:53,467 YOUR OPINION MATTERS. 2848 01:32:53,467 --> 01:32:55,100 I DON'T CARE IF I DISAGREE WITH 2849 01:32:55,100 --> 01:32:55,467 IT. 2850 01:32:55,467 --> 01:32:56,933 I DON'T CARE IF I HATE YOUR 2851 01:32:56,933 --> 01:32:58,667 GUTS. 2852 01:32:58,667 --> 01:33:00,833 YOUR OPINION MATTERS. 2853 01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:26,667 >> IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY 2854 01:33:26,667 --> 01:33:27,567 FURTHER ACTION? 2855 01:33:27,567 --> 01:33:29,233 I MEAN, DOES ANONYMOUS INTEND TO 2856 01:33:29,233 --> 01:33:32,600 PROVE THAT THEY CAN, IN FACT, 2857 01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:34,533 MANIPULATE THE WESTBORO BAPTIST 2858 01:33:34,533 --> 01:33:36,233 CHURCH NETWORK OF WEBSITES? 2859 01:33:36,233 --> 01:33:37,767 WHAT CAN WE EXPECT GOING 2860 01:33:37,767 --> 01:33:39,367 FORWARD, ANONYMOUS? 2861 01:33:39,367 --> 01:33:41,633 >> ACTUALLY, I'M WORKING ON THAT 2862 01:33:41,633 --> 01:33:42,533 RIGHT NOW. 2863 01:33:42,533 --> 01:33:44,633 >> HE'S WORKING ON THAT RIGHT 2864 01:33:44,633 --> 01:33:45,167 NOW! 2865 01:33:45,167 --> 01:33:45,800 OH, YAY. 2866 01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:46,800 >> SO, HOLD ON. 2867 01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:48,600 I AM GETTING A THUMBS UP FROM MY 2868 01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:50,333 PRODUCER THAT THERE HAS BEEN A 2869 01:33:50,333 --> 01:33:52,067 MESSAGE POSTED THAT APPEARS TO 2870 01:33:52,067 --> 01:33:54,433 BE FROM ANONYMOUS ON downloads. 2871 01:33:54,433 --> 01:33:56,200 westborobaptistchurch.com. 2872 01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:57,767 ANONYMOUS, ARE YOU TAKING 2873 01:33:57,767 --> 01:33:59,267 RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS? 2874 01:33:59,267 --> 01:33:59,900 >> YEP. 2875 01:33:59,900 --> 01:34:01,733 WE JUST DID IT RIGHT NOW THIS 2876 01:34:01,733 --> 01:34:02,600 VERY SECOND. 2877 01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:04,100 >> THAT IS SO SPECIAL. 2878 01:34:04,100 --> 01:34:05,967 THAT'S SO SPECIAL.